Should all cleaned coins be labelled "Questionable Provenance"?
jmski52
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Since cleaning removes some of the original metal ions from the face of the coin, why shouldn't that affect the coin's original status, and more significantly, it's "history"? Dip it enough, and it's just a metal disk. Where's the fine line? Why should there be a line, at all? Who can say how many trips to the bath it's already had?
While the classic crowd agonizes over what's market-acceptable, I'll be scooping up well-executed and great-looking Moderns without a concern over original surfaces, altered mintmarks and toned-over hairlines. I'll have the pleasure of enjoying a coin that I know to be both beautiful and 100% original.
While the classic crowd agonizes over what's market-acceptable, I'll be scooping up well-executed and great-looking Moderns without a concern over original surfaces, altered mintmarks and toned-over hairlines. I'll have the pleasure of enjoying a coin that I know to be both beautiful and 100% original.
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<< <i>Since cleaning removes some of the original metal ions from the face of the coin, why shouldn't that affect the coin's original status, and more significantly, it's "history"? Dip it enough, and it's just a metal disk. Where's the fine line? Why should there be a line, at all? Who can say how many trips to the bath it's already had?
While the classic crowd agonizes over what's market-acceptable, I'll be scooping up well-executed and great-looking Moderns without a concern over original surfaces, altered mintmarks and toned-over hairlines. I'll have the pleasure of enjoying a coin that I know to be both beautiful and 100% original. >>
Good point! I've read that PCGS and NGC has started putting pedigrees on it's ultra-modern NCLTs and bullion. In an attempt to satisfy the cries from modern collectors wanting such a designation, PCGS decided to give an example of how it will look on the slab's label:
Mint - customer - PCGS - customer
This added pedigree will be added onto the grading fees for an additional $10 and bulk orders will of course be given a discount. With the new pedigree, high-end coin auction companies can now utilize flowery prose when describing one for auction:
"here we have a beautifully minted American Silver Eagle bullion coin, graded PF 70 by PCGS. After being hastily minted by a government employee and packed for shipping, it was hastily sent in the sealed box to PCGS where it not only was awarded the 'First Strike' designation, but is the proud recipient of the pedigree shown on the slab. Upon receipt at PCGS it was hastily graded and sent back to the owner where it resided until only a few days ago. What a key piece of numismatic history, one that is sure to be a firm part of our numismatic heritage. Bid high and bid often, you won't find a gem like this every day!"
<< <i>Since cleaning removes some of the original metal ions from the face of the coin, why shouldn't that affect the coin's original status, and more significantly, it's "history"? Dip it enough, and it's just a metal disk. Where's the fine line? Why should there be a line, at all? Who can say how many trips to the bath it's already had?
While the classic crowd agonizes over what's market-acceptable, I'll be scooping up well-executed and great-looking Moderns without a concern over original surfaces, altered mintmarks and toned-over hairlines. I'll have the pleasure of enjoying a coin that I know to be both beautiful and 100% original. >>
This will help you in scooping them up. It was made specifically for scooping up this sort of thing.
I'll stick with the Seated Quarters myself. Oh, and thanks for buying the modern junk. You're one less guy I have to compete with.
Ray
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Thanks Andy, I stand corrected. I should probably have asked a different question.
Such as, "Should toned coins be considered as having environmental damage, and be downgraded regardless of the originality of the toning?"
In fact, that's what I'm gonna ask.
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Of course not.
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<< <i>"Should toned coins be considered as having environmental damage, and be downgraded regardless of the originality of the toning?" >>
Considered by whom? You? Fine - go ahead.
Great. Enjoy yourself. That's what coin collecting is all about.