So I'm sitting on ~20 unopened 2007-W SAEs

Bochiman · July 9, 2007 4:52AM

I have 3 boxes with 5, 5, and 10 in them. Received about 3 weeks ago or so.
I am debating whether to open them up, look for the best ones, and send in trying for the MS70 and 1st strike label, or not.

I am also debating leaving the 20 (3 different boxes of 5, 5, and 10) unopened (already opened a 4th box that had 5 more and a couple of other items) and selling down the road since they are eligible for 1st strike.

Constructive opinions on what which route I should go?

pf70collector · July 9, 2007 4:57AM

Tough call. I see a premium in unopened boxes only if the mint halts production of these early. I highly doubt it. But I would keep them sealed to see how the mintage plays out. I have 130 all sealed and FS eligible. So I will do a bulk order eventually, but not now. Maybe in a few years or next year. I am in no rush.

HonoluluDude · July 9, 2007 5:15AM

I checked mine out. Most of them are way off on the strike.
The top of the coins (12 noon) at the rim are not aligned evenly.

No 70s here for sure.

claychaser · July 9, 2007 5:15AM

The sealed boxes were a wonderful thing on the 06 silver three piece set. I never understood why someone would buy the sealed box in the hopes of making 70's, given the very high cost to grade 30 coins (30 x $24 each) and the low rate of random 70's. For my money, I look at the coins and not wrap 24 bucks around any clinkers.

The other problem with sealed boxes is this scenario:

A sells sealed box to B
B then sells to C
C then sells to D
D sells to E
E sends sealed box in for grading in 2010, or whenever. PCGS calls him and says, excuse us, but this box has no coins, just one ounce lead sinkers. On a counterfeit, the liability backs up the chain. But on this, everyopne will probably get blamed. And the legit and honest people will be around, but the scammer party is likely long gone.

57loaded · July 9, 2007 5:23AM

I'd still wait to see what the ratios are of 69's vs 70's. If you think you can tell a 69 from a 70 you are MY man!

Another gave up the prescreen on his and got the same reuslts on 69's and 70's ...from NGC.

Sometimes I think it is easier just to sell the whole darn box, make some money and then buy the one FS MS70 and still be way ahead of the game. Thing is I like first strikes if I am selling but wouldn't pay the premium for one.

You may want to wait till after the First Strike deadline and sell the box, too.

Too many decisions, eh?

Barndog · July 9, 2007 5:26AM

don't you think sitting on these sets might cause some undesirable effects, such as those from methane exposure?

pf70collector · July 9, 2007 5:26AM

Bulk is $12 coin with FS included. 100 coin minimum.

OPA · July 9, 2007 5:34AM

<< I have 3 boxes with 5, 5, and 10 in them. Received about 3 weeks ago or so.
I am debating whether to open them up, look for the best ones, and send in trying for the MS70 and 1st strike label, or not.

I am also debating leaving the 20 (3 different boxes of 5, 5, and 10) unopened (already opened a 4th box that had 5 more and a couple of other items) and selling down the road since they are eligible for 1st strike.

Constructive opinions on what which route I should go? >>

Good luck in your quest for a 70...I purchased 10, but decided not to waste my $ in having them graded .. to many minor ticks & none would grade higher than 68 or 69.....

younique · July 9, 2007 5:35AM

Your call !

The following are my grades on a small submission if it helps at all. They were sent under the premise that they would all grade First Strike 69, prior to any knowledge that 70's would be made available. Taking a peek might prove beneficial. It doesn't appear that 70's will be handed out like candy.

1 1 13812661 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 2 13812662 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 3 13812663 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 4 13812664 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 5 13812665 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 6 13812666 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 7 13812667 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS70
1 8 13812668 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 9 13812669 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 10 13812670 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 11 13812671 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 12 13812672 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 13 13812673 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 14 13812674 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 15 13812675 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 16 13812676 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 17 13812677 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 18 13812678 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 19 13812679 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 20 13812680 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 21 13812681 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 22 13812682 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS70
1 23 13812683 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 24 13812684 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 25 13812685 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69

57loaded · July 9, 2007 5:39AM

so 8% with that sub.

edit to correct math...

HonoluluDude · July 9, 2007 5:39AM

<< Your call !

The following are my grades on a small submission if it helps at all. They were sent under the premise that they would all grade First Strike 69, prior to any knowledge that 70's would be made available. Taking a peek might prove beneficial. It doesn't appear that 70's will be handed out like candy.

1 1 13812661 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 2 13812662 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 3 13812663 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 4 13812664 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 5 13812665 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 6 13812666 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 7 13812667 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS70
1 8 13812668 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 9 13812669 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 10 13812670 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 11 13812671 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 12 13812672 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 13 13812673 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 14 13812674 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 15 13812675 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 16 13812676 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 17 13812677 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 18 13812678 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 19 13812679 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 20 13812680 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 21 13812681 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 22 13812682 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS70
1 23 13812683 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 24 13812684 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69
1 25 13812685 150446 2007-W $1 Eagle US MS69 >>

You got two 70s out of that "small" submission. That's pretty damn good, IMO.

Steve27 · July 9, 2007 5:42AM

I would guess that there are going to be a relatively large number of 70s, which will lead to lower prices; thus I recommend submitting them ASAP.

mach19 · July 9, 2007 6:10AM

Bochiman, be first in line to put PCGS MS-70's on the 'bay. Cha_ching

ccmorgan · July 9, 2007 6:24AM

I saw some PCGS MS70s on the bay last week going for BIN $200. Thought about buying a couple 2-3 but forgot. Now they're gone....

pf70collector · July 9, 2007 6:35AM

They seem to be popular at the moment.
MS 70 FS 2007 W

ccmorgan · July 9, 2007 6:46AM

<< They seem to be popular at the moment.
MS 70 FS 2007 W >>

That was the only one I saw this morning.

ModernCrapNut · July 9, 2007 6:47AM

<< I checked mine out. Most of them are way off on the strike.
The top of the coins (12 noon) at the rim are not aligned evenly.

No 70s here for sure. >>

All but one I got from the mint is also off center. The 5 NGC MS-69s I bought off ebay for $31 each look better.

19Lyds · July 9, 2007 11:16AM

Send em in but only after the First Strike™ window closes.

You wouldn't want people to think that your feeding the First Strike™ storm.

Actually Ron, I'd open em, check em out and then get em sent in.

Type2 · July 9, 2007 12:31PM

I called the mint today to see if they shiped out my last 50 and they said that they dont have a perduction date and may Not do any more. my hart stop for a min now I'am going to buy some more befor it gets out and the price go's sky high.and keep them in the box Bochiman you will do good.

ksammut · July 9, 2007 1:52PM

I received my first three orders a few weeks back but just placed a few more orders on the chance that production will be stopped sooner than later.

TommyB · July 9, 2007 2:48PM

I can guarantee you that they are going to stop production soon on these. Why? I returned my box of 50 to the Mint today. Just kept my box of 10.

BlindedByEgo · July 9, 2007 4:24PM

Get your fat butt off of them. You're making the boxes look nasty.

morgansforever · July 9, 2007 6:52PM

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You might want to open them and check for milking. They are prone to spotting, despite being burnished.

This is the approach I would take.

ModernCrapNut · July 9, 2007 8:50PM

Buy 80 more and use the much cheaper bulk submission.

fivecents · July 9, 2007 9:16PM

<< Buy 80 more and use the much cheaper bulk submission. >>

Go for the MS70 Man!!!

ksammut · July 10, 2007 7:16AM

Anyone else place additional orders, over the last couple of days, with the expectation that total mintage will not be as high as previously thought?

57loaded · July 10, 2007 8:08AM

<< Anyone else place additional orders, over the last couple of days, with the expectation that total mintage will not be as high as previously thought? >>

no I haven't but I will wait and see.

rumor is still stronger than weaker of a 500k production limit.

I did try to buy some more when PCGS announced that they would give an MS70 to a deserving coin, but noticed that they were BO'd beyond the FS deadline, so I will wait and see. If the BO date gets pushed out more then, I may hop back on the bandwagon.

Bochiman · July 10, 2007 8:18AM

One thing I have noticed, over the last couple of years, is that when the USMint bites off more than it can chew, mintages will get chopped, unexpectedly, on some items.
From the threads, these are backordered, the 1st spouses are backordered, they have the full proof set coming up, they have more first spouses coming up, etc.
They HAVE to do the 1st spouses and some of the other items. Proof/mint/SAE mintages can be big or small and it doesn't matter, so, these may be larger than the 2006-W but ending soon.

57loaded · July 10, 2007 8:58AM

has anyone been to the West Point mint in NY?

good point....you may have pushed me back on the wagon

Bochiman · July 10, 2007 9:52AM

West Point, yes. West Point mint, no.
I didn't stay long enough to get that part (plus, back in those days, I wasn't a collector) but rather was more worried about push-ups, etc.

stellar · July 11, 2007 6:28AM

we really don't care

pf70collector · July 11, 2007 6:37AM

The gold spouses are minted at Westpoint. So hopefully they will get in the way.

dlimb2 · July 11, 2007 6:41AM

Got my two boxes of 10=(a box of 20.)..hehehehehe...let um stop production...I'm holden for the furture!

stellar · July 11, 2007 7:11AM

millions of coins who in the world started that thread. JEESH

aug 2003 musta been a power vintage eh boch?

pf70collector · July 11, 2007 7:29AM

One million collectors. Maybe not all want the ASE W MS. The reason why the 06 is going for a premium because not enough to go around(470,000). Same reason why the 20th Anniversary Sets (Reverse Proof 250,000) is still doing well in the aftermarket.

Bochiman · July 11, 2007 7:39AM

<< millions of coins who in the world started that thread. JEESH

aug 2003 musta been a power vintage eh boch? >>

If you want to stalk my posts because you don't like the fact that I have had no problems with a board member (ie...your BST posts), that is fine, but at least do us a favor and make sense.

Sometimes, I really wonder where you little immature trolls come from.....

Bochiman · July 11, 2007 7:40AM

<< we really don't care >>

Sure you do, else you wouldn't have bothered to search on my posts and then read and post

57loaded · July 11, 2007 7:48AM

<< we really don't care >>

I asked the question....you must be PO'ed at me. Line Up

23Pairer · July 11, 2007 7:52AM

If you sit on them too long, they might just hatch like the turkey's they appear to be. My box of ten has absolutely no chance at any 70's. Most have rim dings from the incuse letter edging collars. A few have nice surfaces, but there seems to be an abundance of acne like pimpling of the planchets.

dlimb2 · July 11, 2007 7:54AM

I opened one box of 10 and they are excellent...the other box I am debating about opening!

andyisbak · July 11, 2007 8:07AM

just got my grades from NGC...sent 30...got 10 ms70...still have 2 sealed boxes of 5..

OPA · July 11, 2007 8:15AM

<< just got my grades from NGC...sent 30...got 10 ms70...still have 2 sealed boxes of 5.. >>

Congratulations, but not much of a surprise...with NGC's liberal grading standards for the Modern issues.

andyisbak · July 11, 2007 8:20AM

yea...i was hoping to get around 9-10 ms70...right in there....i sent them before i found out pcgs were going to grade ms70 as well...but im def sending in my first spouse to pcgs for first strike...

So I'm sitting on ~20 unopened 2007-W SAEs

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