2007 W MS70 ASE PCGS - check it out...

endzone · July 5, 2007 12:13PM

They're here,
take a look...
first strike as well

2007WASEMS70

Loki · July 5, 2007 12:20PM

Woohoo! There really IS a Santa Claus in Numismatics!

ilikebuffaloes · July 5, 2007 12:29PM

No price yet....any guesses?

PCGS Cert Validation does not show that as a valid number yet, but I don't know how often that is updated.

FatMan · July 5, 2007 12:31PM

Maybe Tulving is making his own PCGS slabs again.

FLBuffaloHunter · July 5, 2007 12:31PM

<< No price yet....any guesses?

PCGS Cert Validation does not show that as a valid number yet, but I don't know how often that is updated. >>

I say $700 plus initially.

JeremyDie1 · July 5, 2007 12:34PM

Bochiman · July 5, 2007 12:36PM

Submissions will go through the roof

kimon1230 · July 5, 2007 12:39PM

<< 

<< No price yet....any guesses?

PCGS Cert Validation does not show that as a valid number yet, but I don't know how often that is updated. >>

I say $700 plus initially. >>

I would guess $199.95

7over8 · July 5, 2007 12:40PM

probably $900

will boost price of ngc 70, they are only grading about 8-10% 70

COINB0Y · July 5, 2007 12:40PM

I think many people owe an apology to endzone

7over8 · July 5, 2007 12:41PM

199.95? from Modern...?

way too low, means PCGS is making tons of 70's......

FLBuffaloHunter · July 5, 2007 12:42PM

<< 

<< 

<< No price yet....any guesses?

PCGS Cert Validation does not show that as a valid number yet, but I don't know how often that is updated. >>

I say $700 plus initially. >>

I would guess $199.99 >>

Wow, that sounds like a good deal. I guess Wondercoin may know something we don't

Bodie · July 5, 2007 12:43PM

It's a fake! I don't believe PCGS has taken their head out of their....!

kimon1230 · July 5, 2007 12:43PM

<< 199.95? from Modern...?

way too low, means PCGS is making tons of 70's...... >>

My guess as well

Goldbully · July 5, 2007 12:45PM

<< I think many people owe an apology to endzone >>

Not sure why he needs an apology....just a big thanks!!!

Hey, I went to the PCGS certification Link and nothing happens when I input endzone's Cert#11754497

Is it just a bit early???

ccmorgan · July 5, 2007 12:47PM

No way!! That's got to be photoshopped??

wondercoin · July 5, 2007 12:48PM

I have -0- clue what the actual early "grade through rate" for 70's is (I bought a slabbed deal from a dealer), BUT, I decided to offer the coins out for what I believe to be a great price level. Of course, I could have "sucked in" a few ebay buyers @ $500++/coin - but, this price level (around NGC money) should make early buying customers very happy. And, IMHO, the grade through rate for these coins must be HIGH (or I could have never bought the coins so cheap) - but, that is just an educated guess. Wondercoin

7over8 · July 5, 2007 12:49PM

I agree wonder, rate of 70's must be high......

at least 8-12% matching NGC's current rate.......

I am surprised, thought PCGS would be much tighter - around 5%

ilikebuffaloes · July 5, 2007 12:58PM

Just to be clear... I'm not saying that endzone is wrong or that this coin doesn't exist.

I'm just curious to see how many of these come out. It doesn't surprise me that Tulving has them.

FLBuffaloHunter · July 5, 2007 1:14PM

<< I agree wonder, rate of 70's must be high......

at least 8-12% matching NGC's current rate.......

I am surprised, thought PCGS would be much tighter - around 5% >>

Maybe PCGS is trying to make up for lost time

ccmorgan · July 5, 2007 1:33PM

I think PCGS noticed submissions were on the decline for ASEs cause the word was out from '06 that they don't grade any ASE MS 70s. After all NGC does and the premium is considerably more than a PCGS MS69 though not as much as a PCGS 70 though none/1 exsists.

Maybe we'll see more '07 ASE MS 70s now? Time will tell...

19Lyds · July 5, 2007 1:40PM

<< Just to be clear... I'm not saying that endzone is wrong or that this coin doesn't exist.

I'm just curious to see how many of these come out. It doesn't surprise me that Tulving has them. >>

I'm curious as well. If Tulving has them and has photographed at least this one, then why do the Pop Reports still not show any MS70's? Additionally, why is the cert number not valid for display? Certainly they must have the coin in possession? Registered shipping usually takes longer than it takes to update the pop reports and its not like folks haven't photoshopped a label before.

Just curious?

ccmorgan · July 5, 2007 1:43PM

<< 

<< Just to be clear... I'm not saying that endzone is wrong or that this coin doesn't exist.

I'm just curious to see how many of these come out. It doesn't surprise me that Tulving has them. >>

I'm curious as well. If Tulving has them and has photographed at least this one, then why do the Pop Reports still not show any MS70's? Additionally, why is the cert number not valid for display? Certainly they must have the coin in possession? Registered shipping usually takes longer than it takes to update the pop reports and its not like folks haven't photoshopped a label before.

Just curious? >>

As I said earlier "No way!! That's got to be photoshopped?? "

ilikebuffaloes · July 5, 2007 1:49PM

I guess the market for these is already toast. There are about 20 of these on eBay a couple with a BIN of 199.75 with reasonable shipping. Some are using the photo that endzone linked to.

Oh, well better luck next time.

wondercoin · July 5, 2007 2:00PM

"I guess the market for these is already toast."

Yes and no...

Every collector gets a PCGS MS70 Silver Eagle for under $200 right now!! What did a Silver Eagle PCGS-MS70 cost collector' last month for the dozen cons that existed? $5,000/coin? And, how much is the "First Strike" label added value at $199/coin - not much, if anything? Big win for collectors! "Toast" only to those hoping for huge returns on submissions - that obviously won't be happening.

Wondercoin

ccmorgan · July 5, 2007 3:12PM

So do you guys think the 2007 ASE MS70 is a good buy right now at $200 each?

Bochiman · July 5, 2007 3:23PM

<< So do you guys think the 2007 ASE MS70 is a good buy right now at $200 each? >>

You buying for your collection or to flip?
If for your collection....sure, if you really want a MS70 vs a MS69 for a huge difference in $$$. You could easily spend more than $180 in grading fees trying to get one.
If for flipping....who knows? Take your chances.

Mitch is pretty smart....if he thought it was supertough, he would likely have a much higher price on them. Doesn't mean that the initial upshot is MS70 but they get cut off later in the year.....that would cause a huge price increase. Also doesn't mean that a ton of people aren't submitting for them and prices go down further....though, for any MS70, I don't see it much lower than $200.

08HALA20 · July 5, 2007 3:24PM

<< I have -0- clue what the actual early "grade through rate" for 70's is (I bought a slabbed deal from a dealer), BUT, I decided to offer the coins out for what I believe to be a great price level. Of course, I could have "sucked in" a few ebay buyers @ $500++/coin - but, this price level (around NGC money) should make early buying customers very happy. And, IMHO, the grade through rate for these coins must be HIGH (or I could have never bought the coins so cheap) - but, that is just an educated guess. Wondercoin >>

Pop reports may be a little off right now.

I received grades of my first 15 from NGC

I made 6 MS70's and 9 MS 69's

I have another 10 with them.
I think the rate will be around 15% just like last year.

Joe

zkcoins · July 5, 2007 3:26PM

<< So do you guys think the 2007 ASE MS70 is a good buy right now at $200 each? >>

It depends of course on many factors like how many end up being made. However with the W mint program and PCGS actually slabbing some 70's for these. I would definitely pull the trigger right now if my money wasn't tied up elsewhere. I believe it will be a pretty good deal.

Zach

zkcoins · July 5, 2007 3:27PM

<< 

<< So do you guys think the 2007 ASE MS70 is a good buy right now at $200 each? >>

You buying for your collection or to flip?
If for your collection....sure, if you really want a MS70 vs a MS69 for a huge difference in $$$. You could easily spend more than $180 in grading fees trying to get one.
If for flipping....who knows? Take your chances.

Mitch is pretty smart....if he thought it was supertough, he would likely have a much higher price on them. Doesn't mean that the initial upshot is MS70 but they get cut off later in the year.....that would cause a huge price increase. Also doesn't mean that a ton of people aren't submitting for them and prices go down further....though, for any MS70, I don't see it much lower than $200. >>

Well said! I have to agree with this statement!

Capgun · July 5, 2007 3:51PM

A + I'd love to see the reverse as well. Congrats.

LucyBop · July 5, 2007 3:52PM

The Image does appear to be photoshopped to my eyes...

Capgun · July 5, 2007 4:02PM

May be wrong, however, am seeing at least 14 on ebay as of now. NICE.

TrustNo1 · July 5, 2007 6:27PM

funny, last week someone noted that Wondercoin had some inside info going back to the 20th Anniv set First Strike grading criteria and now the last week he posted how he was happy to hear PCGS was grading some MS70's. Sure enough Wondercoin is one of the first on the forum to a BST thread noting he has a few for sale..... Pretty interesting!

7over8 · July 5, 2007 9:18PM

just to ensure everyone knows the current rate of NGC 70's

last order of 500 submitted

57 ms70.

a typical return when talking to most dealer submissions in the last 2 weeks or so. early on, a little higher.

19Lyds · July 5, 2007 9:20PM

<< PCGS Cert Validation does not show that as a valid number yet, but I don't know how often that is updated. >>

Pop Reports get updated early Monday mornings but cert numbers usually show up within a day or two of shipping so I'm really puzzled by this one. CoinKing's responses in the Q&A seem to indicate that they are grading MS70's but I still think the image was photoshopped just because the cert number is invalid for display.

CoinKing · July 6, 2007 12:40AM

<< Maybe Tulving is making his own PCGS slabs again.

>>

The coin endzone illustrated is a legitimate PCGS coin. Tulving has always been in good standing as a PCGS Dealer and has never been accused of making or participating in

the production of a counterfeit PCGS holder.

7over8 · July 6, 2007 12:49AM

Ron -

when will we see the pop's of these 70's? why is it such a big secret?

fivecents · July 6, 2007 12:49AM

<< The coin endzone illustrated is a legitimate PCGS coin. >>

That should quail all the nonbelievers.

FLBuffaloHunter · July 6, 2007 12:52AM

<< Ron -

when will we see the pop's of these 70's? why is it such a big secret? >>

Ron announced they would start grading 'W' ASE's on 06/28/07, a Friday so this is the week they statred grading 70's. The Pop reports are updated on Sunday, which is when they should show up.

19Lyds · July 6, 2007 1:23AM

<< 

<< Maybe Tulving is making his own PCGS slabs again.

>>

The coin endzone illustrated is a legitimate PCGS coin. Tulving has always been in good standing as a PCGS Dealer and has never been accused of making or participating in

the production of a counterfeit PCGS holder. >>

Well I guess it doesn't get any better than that!

Thanks for chiming in Ron!

John91C · July 6, 2007 1:27AM

Do you think that a lot of people will be submitting SAE's? Or was most of the hype for MS70's due to the 20th anniv. set which the only company grading all 70's was NGC and now PCGS is trying to play catch-up. Who here thinks that PCGS will see a dramatic increase for grading SAE's? I personally think the hype was over the 20th anniv. sets and yes there will be a slight increase in grading the SAE's but in the long run PCGS fell off the boat when they only made MS69's.

john

ilikebuffaloes · July 6, 2007 1:51AM

PCGS has already said that they will accept 2006-W ASEs for consideration of MS70 as a Regrade. There are still 20th Anniversary sets out there in sealed boxes that are also eligible to qualify for MS70. If any of these are graded at MS70, I think it will make the market for that set very active and drive prices up.

As for the 2007-W ASE, it is going to depend on the total mintage and the PCGS population. One problem is that the window for First Strike is closing and any new order from the Mint is showing a backorder until after the cutoff date. So only the existing coins and some orders that are in the pipeline and scheduled to ship will qualify for First Strike, but I think a non First Strike MS70 will still be wanted by the ASE collectors.

I know that Tulving is a big dealer and does a lot of business with PCGS, so it doesn't surprise me that they had coins available to send in for grading after the policy change. I have only hear good things about Tulving as a dealer, so I personally would never accuse them of making a counterfeit slab. I'm sure that the person who posted that was joking since they had the winking icon after the post.

TrustNo1 · July 6, 2007 4:36AM

never put anything past anyone when it comes to the $$

Russ · July 6, 2007 5:11AM

I'll believe it when that cert number comes back as valid. Until then, it's just an image.

Russ, NCNE

COINB0Y · July 6, 2007 5:13AM

Grenade on the floor................run for cover!

richardshipp · July 6, 2007 5:17AM

I've been thinking of how to address/reply to this thread and have decided..........

CoinMaster1229 · July 6, 2007 5:17AM

PCGS shows 1 MS70 on the pop report NOW!

It must be for real!!!!!

HonoluluDude · July 6, 2007 5:28AM

So, is PCGS gonna guarantee these 70s even with the milkspotting problem?

I wonder how much a '06-W would be valued at in MS70?

Russ · July 6, 2007 5:38AM

<< So, is PCGS gonna guarantee these 70s even with the milkspotting problem? >>

If they grade them, they guarantee them. Has there been a milk spotting problem on the W mint coins, though?

Russ, NCNE

richardshipp · July 6, 2007 5:41AM

<< 

<< So, is PCGS gonna guarantee these 70s even with the milkspotting problem? >>

If they grade them, they guarantee them. Has there been a milk spotting problem on the W mint coins, though?

Russ, NCNE >>

There has been on the anniversary sets yet it sounds like they can now go up to 70 as well, or am I wrong?

Where is there a PCGS link that explains this change?

Thanks.

2007 W MS70 ASE PCGS - check it out...

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