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Scam Ebay Auction Listing for 1796 Quarter

TomBTomB Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
I don't normally post threads about ebay scams, but this one just hit me a certain way. The scammer is claiming that he is selling a 1796 quarter found in an old chest in an estate sale. The problem is, he is using the image of the Benson 1796 quarter sold by Goldberg Auctions in 2002. He claims that the B&W image of the Benson coin is a scan of one of five 1796 quarters found in the chest and that the auction is for all five coins. Hopefully, the folks bidding are just shill acounts and are not that ignorant. Here is the auction in question and I have already reported it to ebay, but it wouldn't hurt to have others report it, too.
Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • I ask the seller for scans of all five coins so I can determine their grades. I bet he says this is the best he can do, or they are in my safety deposit box, or already packed, or my camera/scanner is broke, or no reponce at all.

    Want to guess which one, and I will post what happens for a good laugh?
  • TrustNo1TrustNo1 Posts: 1,359
    "on front it has a woman with long hair wavy all the way down to the stars she is looking right" thats a riot.....
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"on front it has a woman with long hair wavy all the way down to the stars she is looking right" thats a riot..... >>

    "on front it has a woman with long hair wavy all the way down to the stars she is looking right" = "how I figure I can make you think that I don't know what I'm talking about so you'll think you can steal this from me for a song."

    Or something like that. image
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why did the seller pick 5 coins, rather than just 1? Or why not a roll of these for sale, or a bag?

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anything is possible.
    Some things are probable.

    This is a "GO FISH" story that's impossible to figure.

    One certainty is that Heritage won't hire the guy as a cataloguer , but he might have a future with image

    the Coin Vault !
  • Heres my doctored version of the picture he swiped....Its on Wikipedia's website. Note the little mark upper left of the T in LIBERTY and note the "specs" on the 9.

    image

    I'll go let the knucklehead know where I found his picture and then I'll report it to Ebay as well. I think the coin was in a Goldberg auction in 2001

    have Fun,
    Bill
  • 1Bustcollector1Bustcollector Posts: 584 ✭✭✭
    I just sent a comment just a few minutes ago with the same results found as you guys did. The position of both obverse and reverse are exactly as the Goldberg Benson picture. Hopefully no one is going to bid on this!
    Persuing choice countermarked coinage on 2 reales.

    Enjoyed numismatic conversations with Eric P. Newman, Dave Akers, Jules Reiver, David Davis, Russ Logan, John McCloskey, Kirk Gorman, W. David Perkins...
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To wit :

    found these 5 coins in cloth which was in a very old chest that I bought at an estate sale. The coins are in good shape I scanned the best looking one. I’m not sure what type this is but I think it may be a Quarter or Dollar. There is no mint stamped on it that I can tell. This is what it looks like on front it has a woman with long hair wavy all the way down to the stars she is looking right. The date is below her and says 1796. Liberty is above her head. There is 8 stars on left side and seven on right I believe those are stars from best I can tell. On the back is United States Of America which almost goes all the way around stops and starts at the roots or stalk of plant on it think it may be wheat. There is an Bird I think it is an Eagle that is in the middle of the coin with in the plant surrounding it. It is looking to its left side which is right if looking at coin the front body faces you. It is standing and has its wings spread out like it just landed or something. I will sell all 5 together. Insurance $1.50 per $100.00.



    Go figure !
  • He responded to my question and siad he would try to add another picture showing all five coins. Look what he did, he took the same picture and mis-aligned them, and put tham together as a whole. This guy is a unbelievable.
  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085
    Is he a rabbit farmer selling furry tails or a rare bit faker selling fairy tales?
    A thing of beauty is a joy for ever
  • I reported him also
  • I asked him to take a picture of the edge lettering for me and this is his reply:
    Item: This is an 1796 coin is in very good shape (140134393809)
    This message was sent while the listing was active.
    rabbitfarmer112 is the seller.



    yes if i can figure out how i will add another photo of the coins
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    Details for item number: 140134393809
    Item title: This is an 1796 coin is in very good shape
    Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140134393809&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1
    End date: Sunday, Jul 08, 2007 10:07:30 PDT


  • Says now he brought them to a dealer this morning to sell.
    YEAH RIGHT!!!

  • Gosh darn and I was the high bidder. I was going to turn around and sell it for 50,000. Oh, well. I wonder how he thought he was going to get away with his scam. Anyway, this was in my message box:

    Positive feedback: 100%
    Member since: Jun-17-01
    Location: AL, United States
    Registered on: www.ebay.com


    Item: This is an 1796 coin is in very good shape (140134393809)
    This message was sent after the listing closed.
    rabbitfarmer112 is the seller.



    Thanks for being interested in my coins I took an advise of another EBayer and took them to a dealer this morning and glade I did he is going to sell them for me at an auction house. He said I would never get what one was worth on here.



  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>He responded to my question and siad he would try to add another picture showing all five coins. Look what he did, he took the same picture and mis-aligned them, and put tham together as a whole. This guy is a unbelievable. >>

    the one he blurred is a kick! A real maroon!
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm just glad he described the bird as an eagle. Most people mistake it for a chicken !
  • What is amazing about this is, that most guys that do this get very defensive, but he didn't.
  • SunnywoodSunnywood Posts: 2,683
    I had the following ludicrous responses to questions that I sent him via ebay ... it's funny that this guy continued to pretend to be honest:

    His reply to my first comment:

    "I don't understand why you are saying something like this I have the coins on my desk right now. The image that is in my listing I did my self useing my scaner after trying several times to get a good up close photo of them. Also I have never seen or heard of Goldberg's 2001 auction of the Benson Collection until now If you be so kind please ask another question with links to dealers os I can let them look at them if it helps."

    His reply after I sent him the links to Benson, etc:

    "Thanks for being interested in my coins I took an advise of another EBayer and took them to a dealer this morning and glade I did he is going to sell them for me at an auction house. He said I would never get what one was worth on here."

    Fortunately, the guy was stupid enough to use an image of one of the most widely known and easily recognized examples of the 1796 quarter. Had he just used an average image of an XF example, more people would have been fooled.

    Best,
    Sunnywood
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If he visited one of the not so good brick and mortar dealers, it is very likely he'll get far less than what he could have gotten on ebay (lol)
    But we were "glade" to give him the advice.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image

    It was on the cover of the Goldbergs auction.

    From their description:

    "...We do note moderate hairlines on the delicate fields from an ancient cleaning, and these apparently limited the grade. "

    That's why the Benson toning is so vivid!
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