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Thoughts/Opinions On An 1838 RE Half "See My Pic's Here"

Not an expert on the series so I'm looking for others thoughts and opinions on this example:


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Edited to add these pic's from the seller:

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Edited to add:
Here are my pic's of the coin:


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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't buy that coin.
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  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    lol. AT.

    was that sprayed on with a spray brush?
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My favorite "BLUE." How does that ol' MC Hammer song go? Don't touch this....image
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Lee,
    That is not the kind of blue I want to see.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I wouldn't buy that coin. >>



    Coming from TomB... 'Nuff said.
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  • coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin just "blue" me awayimage

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cleaned, retoned (AT)
  • ShortgapbobShortgapbob Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭
    I agree with the consensus.....cleaned and retoned via AT.
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  • AT but nice detail--depends on the price.
    Curmudgeon in waiting!
  • mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    Buy that coin and eventually you will be singing the blues.image
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
  • Yikes.
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    Added some pic's above from the seller and here is some info on the coin:

    "Here's the 1838 Half. It is JR-10, which is an R.5 variety. I grade the coin AU details, Net EF-45 due to some nearly invisible hairlines in the left obverse field and, to a lesser degree, in the right obv. field. Very few people would notice due to the fact that the patina conceals them well. The color.....well, the image says it all. The iridescent electric-blue peripheral toning gently transitions to subtle violet and gold toning in the centers. The luster is nice and what you would expect to see on an AU Reeded Edge Half Dollar. JR-10 is always weakly struck in certain areas and this coin is better struck than most for this variety."

    "Wow. That coin sure got hammered in that thread. The reason that I know that the coin is NT is that the toning changes with the angle of rotation. It is under the luster and not painted on like AT coins. I have dealt a lot with this issue and I know the difference. In defense of the posters, they only saw one image and it was the one that showed the most color possible. The coin is more subdued when viewed head-on.

    The enlargement shows how the color transitions at the devices (e.g. lettering). Note the "R" and how the blue is not within the loop of the R and it stops at the base of the letter. In my opinion, the coin has been lightly cleaned (as I mentioned immediately), but was placed in an album and that's were the toning comes from. It was not applied with the intent to deceive. This coin is much more toned than the usual album toning, but it happens and it is not for everyone's taste. I love it."


    What are the thoughts on this Bustie?


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    Here is a pic of the 1833 in the holder:

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I still wouldn't buy the first coin and wouldn't buy the second coin, either. Additionally, I would take any R values given to a RE half with a rather large grain of salt since the die marriages for individual coins of this series are widely ignored and left without attribution. Lastly, we all know that grading is highly sensitive to individual taste and competancy, and that to grade properly one really needs to have the coin in-hand, but the initial 1838 posted does not have AU50 details, in my opinion. I own the Reiver VIM for the RE series and I attribute my REs, but the images do not allow me to determine that this is a JR10, though I do not question the accuracy of the attribution. In my opinion, the following RE has AU50 or perhaps even AU53 details and you may compare the two to see the large difference in wear pattern, regardless of strike.
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    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    Good points Tom, thanks for sharing them here. Anyone else? Tom why wouldn't you buy the 33? Since Tom brought the subject up, here are some AU50 graded RE half's:

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    NGC
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    PCGS (OGH)
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    Care to comment on this?


    (Photo's courtesy of Heritage Auction Archives)
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424
    Personally i'd stay away from that coin based on the pictures. Also, the first s in states is almost gone, is that a die marker or post-mint damage?
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The faint first S in STATES on this 1838 is not unusual since this is directly opposite the bustline on the obverse and insufficient metal flow may preclude a strong S in this position. In my opinion this is not post-mint damage.

    I wouldn't buy the 1833 either simply because I think there is no way the coin is original. Look, if you value color more than you require originality then these are the coins for you. If, however, you require originality more than you value color then I believe you may come to a very different conclusion. It's up to you, but I know how my money would and would not be spent.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm still singing the same song even with the new images and the story.image Seeing the 1833 I'm even singing it more.
    Look, some folks love this "Look." And if this is what you like jump on it. I have viewed these type of coins in person. The tone is very light and very un-natural looking for an ol' Bust half. Myself, I wouldn't want this type of "Look" at almost any price. But to each their own. Asked, and answered.image

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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    Everyone has added some insiteful commentaryimage Just trying to get as many of these as I can. It's all a learning experience for many of us here, myself includedimage
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    Added the picture of the 1833 in the holder. Should have more responses than this when talking about coins such as these. I guess since it's not a "spouse" it's not worthy.image
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The second image of the 1833 CBH, which now shows it in the PCGS MS63 holder, shows the coin in an entirely different light than the first image. In fact, I am surprised they are the same coin. Therefore, I have no idea what the 1833 looks like other than to say it must look closer to the image in the PCGS holder than to the image of it floating in space and that is a good thing. It also appears that you are keeping the 1838 RE for your set and I hope it makes you happy.image

    By the way, it seems to me that I have commented in a negative manner on a number of early half dollars recently and all I can attribute this to is the fact that the images have been interpreted by me in such a way as to require me to write as I have in order to be honest with folks. There is nothing personal involved in these interpretations.
    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162


    << <i>It also appears that you are keeping the 1838 RE for your set and I hope it makes you happy.image >>


    Tom, I'm about 40/60 on keeping it right now.


    << <i>There is nothing personal involved in these interpretations. >>


    Not taken that way by me. I value everyones opinion whether positive or negative. That's how we learn and grow in this great hobby! image

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