I've got a beautiful coin in a PCGS holder that has what appears to be a very small piece of a Frito
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which has been placed on the coin inside the holder. The speck is actually very small but there is a larger ring that has developed around it and really draws your attention to it. Dont they have some sort of quality control to prevent this? This is a top population coin that I'm seriously considering breaking out of the slab just to remove the speck and prevent further damage.
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"please use reverse for the slab front, and i'll opt for the 'no Frito Lay' designation. thank you!"
Whenever I look at that coin, all I see is the "booger"
Rex
<< <i>The only thing I know about slabs is how to crack them out, but don't the TPGs offer a guarantee and even a buy-back? If there is a Frito crumb on your encapsulated coin it should not require a rocket scientist to determine how it got there and whose fault it would be. If it were my coin I would send the coin right back to the TPG intact, complete with the Frito crumb, and demand the replacement cost of the coin, which is now ruined. >>
Don't forget to sue for emotional distress as well.
I agree with Mr.Halfdime
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I wonder if this falls under "mechanical error", and thusly avoids the guarantee?
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A company had a lab report done on some of the PCGS 20th Anniversary ASE that had developed spotting after being slabbed and their opinion was the spots were likely caused by foreign particles on the surface of the coin prior to being slabbed which had absorbed water and cause a reaction with the surface of the coin. Their reccomendation was to "Package product in a properly filtered environment to eliminate 5ì and larger hygroscopic particles from depositing on product or packaging materials before packaging to eliminate propagating spots."
The complete report is below:
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<< <i>Scavenger, do you have a picture of that? Frito's have a lot of fat,(oil) in them. I bet that's what is causing the ring that you see. Just a guess. >>
I'd worry more about the salt in the chip.
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on something like this Frito or foreign substance inside of a slab....
Does PCGS reimburse the submitter for ALL postage both ways on a return?
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<< <i> Never did get compensated for all the added shipping expense...
That's such BS.
"We screwed up, but you're going to pay for it." Such a chintzy way to do business. At the least they could credit your account toward future submissions. Worth a freebie, IMO.
<< <i>A company had a lab report done on some of the PCGS 20th Anniversary ASE that had developed spotting after being slabbed and their opinion was the spots were likely caused by foreign particles on the surface of the coin prior to being slabbed which had absorbed water and cause a reaction with the surface of the coin. Their reccomendation was to "Package product in a properly filtered environment to eliminate 5ì and larger hygroscopic particles from depositing on product or packaging materials before packaging to eliminate propagating spots."
The complete report is below:
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Fascinating, and worthy of its own thread. Every spot was described as ringed white corrosion with its own seeded particle core.
Interestingly and ironically, the lab suggests that it's possibly desiccant that are the particles to blame. What's the source of these particles? In the case of ASEs, is the Mint or the certification company -- or the collector, somehow -- to blame?
Who was it that had a pube encapsolated with his coin???
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<< <i>FLBuffaloHunter - thanks for the great analytical report. So these are the milk spots that everyone is talking about? Does the grading room have a dessicant air filtration system that somehow incorporates silver chloride? I'm not clear about how silver chloride should ever end up in a grading room. I would think that this is a major concern at this time, and that PCGS should be quite interested in that report as well. >>
The spots the lab analyzed were on the ASE proof and reverse proof which some call milk spots. The report suggests the spots may be silver chloride forming around the seeded particle on the surface of the coin after it has reacted with the foreign substance on the coin surface which attracts water from the enviorment and reacts with the silver coin surface to produce the spots. If this is the case, procedures should be implemented to ensure no foreign particles are left on the surface of the coin which cause degradation.
<< <i>Just more examples of confusion in the coin collecting hobby, TPG's forget who they work for, who the customer is, who is providing a paid service and who should they attempt to satisfy. Its completely ridiculous to hear about this stuff.
Crack it out and dip it
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Does the mint produce their own planchets or do they buy them. If they buy them my guess is that who ever they buy them from has made some money-saving changes to the process with no regard for the quality of the end product.
I've seen several nice PCGS coins with what looks like little dandruff flakes resting somewhere on the coin. I've often wondered about PCGS quality control during the slabbing process.
KJ
I'm trying to understand the mechanism. The way I read your comment, the seed particle could be anything that absorbs water. Once the wet particle sits on the silver surface long enough, it starts to absorb chlorine from somewhere, ostensibly from atmosphere. The chlorine then starts reacting with the freshly-exposed silver surface. I don't know how much chlorine you can extract from ambient air, so I wonder if the particles contain some chlorine already.
In that case, it could be another common chlorine source - sodium chloride, from the corn chips? Salt spray from the ocean? How close to the beach is PCGS? I know that salt spray corrosion is significant on the coastlines - many corrosion studies are conducted in a salt spray cabinet, designed to similate the oceanfront environment.
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<< <i>The only place that silver chloride could come from is hydrochloric acid reacting with the silver from the coin. >>
BAJJERFAN - This statement is not exactly true. Any source of chlorine ions can produce silver chloride in the presence of silver. HCl is only one of many sources.
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<< <i>I've got an otherwise nice 1972 Type II Ike that has a similar issue...
Whenever I look at that coin, all I see is the "booger"
Rex >>
Lol! Gross!