Coin rcvd is not one in auction photo... v.7,987.02b

hubird · June 6, 2007 4:13AM

What to do next with this midnight seller? PCGS-graded 57-D Frankie is not one in auction photo; serial number isn't the same, but is close. However, a -9 shouldn't be confused with a -4 in the last digit of a serial number, should it?! I'll figure out something to do with this bad seller, I'd appreciate some ideas.

flaminio · June 6, 2007 4:14AM

Link?

Bochiman · June 6, 2007 4:14AM

Auction number/link?
Is it worse than the coin pictured?
Was there any "coin you receive may not be the one pictured but will still be PCGS and same grade"?

robkool · June 6, 2007 4:14AM

Did you get this Franklin half from ebay???

RNCHSN · June 6, 2007 4:16AM

Point out the discrepancy and ask the seller for a return if you're not happy with the coin.

If the coin is just as nice as the one pictured and the only material difference is the single digit, it might not be worth getting into a pissing contest over.

hubird · June 6, 2007 4:18AM

Thanks, yep, got it off eBay. I'll double-check the listing's fine print..., be back in a bit...

hubird · June 6, 2007 4:18AM

OH, and yes, the coin does look different, in a worse way.

ScarsdaleCoin · June 6, 2007 4:21AM

may be an honest error.... we recently slabbed a run of HK so called from an original roll... sold one on ebay and yet we shipped a higher grade to the winner in error....funny when they get a higher grade nobody posts "Coin rcvd is not one in auction photo"

hubird · June 6, 2007 4:27AM

Yes, it may be an honest mistake, but they haven't returned any of 3 or 4 emails in the past 36 or so hours..., here's the coin they sent me, black spot of death and all...

dan8402 · June 6, 2007 4:37AM

I don't like the looks of what you received, but I can't be sure that wasn't in the auction until you post the link.

hubird · June 6, 2007 4:38AM

I just got an email from this twerp. I bet he's on these boards...

mcheath · June 6, 2007 4:55AM

I dont think anyone has asked for a link yet. Can we have a link to the auction? I like to decide if the seller is a twerp without taking your word for it.

Bochiman · June 6, 2007 4:59AM

Definitely not the same coin.....get the exchange!

Auction in question....

Looks like the one in the auction photo does have some "milkspotting" on the lower portion but it still looks better than the one you scanned.

larrynj · June 6, 2007 5:01AM

the omaha bank hoard crap will be haunting collectors for a very long time.

hubird · June 6, 2007 5:04AM

I had convinced myself those "milkspots" were on the plastic, not the coin. As an example, in this case, how do you try and differentiate the layer of plastic and what we see on it, compared to what appears on the coin in a photo, a few millimeters "deeper" in the 2-dimensional view?

hubird · June 6, 2007 5:16AM

I should've noted I was referring to the coin pictured in the auction.

hubird · June 6, 2007 5:27AM

Thanks for the PM assist, B-man.

Bochiman · June 6, 2007 6:26AM

<< I had convinced myself those "milkspots" were on the plastic, not the coin. As an example, in this case, how do you try and differentiate the layer of plastic and what we see on it, compared to what appears on the coin in a photo, a few millimeters "deeper" in the 2-dimensional view? >>

No problem on the help....you are new to the forums and learning your way...soon, you will be the one helping others

For the "milkspot" item, I think it is a learned trait to notice them. I am sure many others are better than I am at spotting coins with them, but those definitely look to be on the coin and not the holder, imho. I've seen worse though.

percyb · June 6, 2007 8:01AM

I'd be p%&^$d off too.

hubird · June 12, 2007 8:20AM

I received this in an email from the seller today:

"You received an item exactly as described in a sealed PCGS holder. Your only issue is that we used a stock photo."

I can't believe the guy expects me to believe that his stock photo of a Frankie just happens to be the SAME date and mint mark I wanted to buy, AND that his stock photo was 1-digit off from what he sent me.

I guess he thinks he only deals with people incapable of rational thought. Not that I always think rationally, but you get the idea don't you?!

How can sellers like this be stopped?

ziggy29 · June 12, 2007 8:33AM

<< I received this in an email from the seller today:

"You received an item exactly as described in a sealed PCGS holder. Your only issue is that we used a stock photo." >>

Usage of a stock photo is not indicated in the auction that I can see anywhere. So this seller's CYA falls on deaf ears.

sinin1 · June 12, 2007 8:35AM

did you read the terms?

did you ask for a RA#?

did you state your displeasure in that it was not clearly stated that stock photos were used?

demand a full refund including shipping and insurance in that coin received is not as good as coin shown

leave feedback stating your displeasure on stock photos

Boom · June 12, 2007 8:42AM

First. his link, first paragraph states
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NOTE: WE WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE THE FOLLOWING DATES.
WE WILL BE UNABLE TO ANSWER EMAILS, SEND WINNING BID CONFIRMATIONS OR PROCESS/SHIP ORDERS:
Wednesday June, 6 2007 Through Monday June, 11 2007.
We will be open for business during eBay live.
If you have an URGENT matter, please send an email marked urgent in the subject line to andrew@collecticom.com.

Secondly. MORE of HIS terms of Auction
*********************************************************************************************
Your purchase price will be refunded in full, shipping handling and insurance is not refundable. If we made an error with the product or description we will of course reimburse all shipping costs both ways.

CUSTOMER SERVICE
Our dedication is to your complete satisfaction. If you are not completely satisfied, please dont worry or get upset. Simply send us an email explaining the problem and we'll do whatever we can to resolve it. If you have any questions, please feel free to email us at eBay@collecticom.com or call 727-709-3404 (9am-5pm EST Mon-Fri ONLY)

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

My input:

I purchased a coin from this seller and to this day he has not left feedback although I did for him. Despite him claiming he will be out on vacation, this may be so but he sure as hell, he answered a question LAST NIGHT regarding a transaction made approximately a Month ago, so this BS about being "on vacation" and "complletely automated" is exactly that ... a load of Bull s#!+ - OK!

MY Opinion (for what it is worth)

Open a dsipute:

At the botttom of every listing there is a link for doing so, Item Not As described. You have irrefutable/ indeputable Proof Positive.

Report him to eBay and if you paid using PayPal, start a dispute there as well and be certain to have a photograph of the listing you bid on (complete w/ cert #) and produce what you have produced here in the way of pix, his invoice & as much material as you possibly can muster then go about getting a refund per the proper channels. Then. without any threats, simply use the ask the seller a question feature FIRST followed by an email to him, CC to yourself complete w/ pix. From there get the ball rolling with Item NOT as described or shown and egt all your money back along with forcing him to adhere to the terms of his very own binding agreement. This should solve your problems.

I don't like the guy's attitude and very seldom does a seller actually piss me off but this one HAS. because of his ATTITUDE. Rest assured that I will NEVER buy from him again and will take EVERY opportunity to tell it like it is due to his cavalier attitude

HE IS IN. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT - VACATION OR NOT and this IS a binding contract. We have ALL seen PayPal come thru for buyers time & time again. Use all that you have against him and work the system to the "T" thereby FORCING him to abide by his own terms as stated. He must refund your money - ALL OF IT - and by his own words, will even cover the cost to ship this POS back to him!

Good Luck & I hope this helps. If you run thru the paces you'll come out just fine. I would commence a dispute and a chargeback IMMEDIATELY!

ziggy29 · June 12, 2007 8:45AM

<< First. his link, first paragraph states

NOTE: WE WILL BE OUT OF THE OFFICE THE FOLLOWING DATES.
WE WILL BE UNABLE TO ANSWER EMAILS, SEND WINNING BID CONFIRMATIONS OR PROCESS/SHIP ORDERS:
Wednesday June, 6 2007 Through Monday June, 11 2007.
We will be open for business during eBay live.
If you have an URGENT matter, please send an email marked urgent in the subject line to andrew@collecticom.com.

Back in a moment with an edit!
BOOM >>

That link also says:

Pictures: WYSIWUG! Thats right, What you see is what you get. For the most part I do not use stock photos of similar items, each one is for the exact item up for bid (Only exception is some modern commemoratives and some low price coins). I do NOT enhance, color correct or touch up my pics in any. I do enlarge them to show you some detail, but that's it.

So how do they define "low price"? One person's low price is another's king's ransom...

Texast · June 12, 2007 8:46AM

On his Ebay page which he refers to in his auction he post this about his pictures:

<< Pictures: WYSIWUG! Thats right, What you see is what you get. For the most part I do not use stock photos of similar items, each one is for the exact item up for bid (Only exception is some modern commemoratives and some low price coins). I do NOT enhance, color correct or touch up my pics in any. I do enlarge them to show you some detail, but that's it. >>

I think you have a claim if you paid by paypal.

hubird · June 12, 2007 8:49AM

Oh yeah, I most always use PayPal, as many of you know!

Bochiman · June 12, 2007 9:01AM

Yes, use paypal and "item not as described".
Copy the auction and save it to your hard drive.

Russ · June 12, 2007 9:04AM

Russ, NCNE

ziggy29 · June 12, 2007 9:06AM

<< Yes, use paypal and "item not as described".
Copy the auction and save it to your hard drive. >>

Copy the page that lists all the terms, too.

BlindedByEgo · June 12, 2007 9:06AM

He's a turd.

WinPitcher · June 12, 2007 9:11AM

Any update?

Steve

hubird · June 12, 2007 9:43AM

This guy is a real slime-ball. I got some of my money, but not all of it refunded. He misleads in his ad about that too. He didn't refund my shipping costs for his misrepresented item. What a pathetic excuse for a ____ (Russ, please insert your powerscrewer icon!)

Oh well, I'm back in the Frankie market! Now I've just got to find out about the two I ordered from the fellow who supposedly died a few days after my order...sheesh!

BlindedByEgo · June 12, 2007 9:50AM

I misspoke. He's a putz.

ziggy29 · June 12, 2007 9:51AM

<< This guy is a real slime-ball. I got some of my money, but not all of it refunded. He misleads in his ad about that too. He didn't refund my shipping costs for his misrepresented item. What a pathetic excuse for a ____ (Russ, please insert your powerscrewer icon!) >>

So you already agreed to the partial refund and shipped the coin back?

Too bad. Lesson learned, I hope.

hubird · June 12, 2007 10:05AM

No, I haven't agreed to anything. I'm still on his a$$ about refunding what his own "regs" say he will refund.

Boom · June 12, 2007 10:11AM

Report him to eBay for fraudlent listings and NOT abiding by his own terms

Coin rcvd is not one in auction photo... v.7,987.02b

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