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If I buy the coin, do I own the pics too?

If I buy a coin off ebay, do I buy the rights to the sellers pics of that coin too, if I should decide to resell it?

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
    The consensus in quite a few threads is "no."

    Having said that, unless one is a professional photographer, most sellers probably don't mind if you use them after you buy the coin.
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    RWBRWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
    Only if the image rights are specifically included in the purchase price. Most sellers won't care, but get their agreement in writing.
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    tincuptincup Posts: 5,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No. You own the coin, and you can then take your own pictures of it, and then you will own the rights to those pictures of the coins. But you do not own the rights to all previous images of the coins.
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    I suck at taking pics. is the reason I was wondering. better pics = double prices.
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I suck at taking pics. is the reason I was wondering. better pics = double prices. >>

    When you buy a coin you can ask the seller if they mind if you use their images to show the coin online. I'd wager 95% of them will be okay with it, and they'll probably appreciate your asking.
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    BlackBeardBlackBeard Posts: 1,064 ✭
    Only if it is stated so in the listing. The auction is for the item described. Otherwise, if it was negotiated before a bid was placed and you have an email confirming this. Most likely the seller wouldn't mind, if you asked, but I wouldn't claim ownership with the coin purchase as this might not come off right to the seller.

    A photograph is a separate entity. It is, in itself, an item as it could be sold as a picture or print simular to the way photographers sell photos to magazines, etc.
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    ARCOARCO Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just do what I do...do some slight changes to the coins background color. Problem solved!

    Tyler
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    You don't own the photo... though I always ask and have always been granted the right to have the photo and use it for any coin I've bought.
    Gotta ask though!
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,524 ✭✭✭✭
    No!

    Photos are an additional $19.95 per shot!
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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I sell a coin I have no problem with the new owner using my images.
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    No. You own the photo ONLY if you made it yourself OR the person who made it includes the rights to the photo in the sale.
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    mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
    I have asked several persons if I could use their pics to later sell a coin. Ive only been turned down once and that was because the pics weren't theirs either. Nothing wrong with asking the worse they can say is "No".
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,772 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just do what I do...do some slight changes to the coins background color. Problem solved!

    Tyler >>

    Not quite... I can recognize coins I've sold years earlier, and I also have all of my images saved. The background change is nothing compared to matching lighting conditions.
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    saintgurusaintguru Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭
    That's BS.

    You buy the coin, you use the pictures.

    If the seller doesn't like it, let him threaten him to sue you and waste his money.

    Man....this is sure a silly world if you don't have the right to use a picture of a damn Ebay coin.
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    pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭
    Saintguru is completely wrong on this one. The photographer owns the copyright on any photos he is using to sell the coins. You should ask before using them or you're in violation of copyright laws. Most sellers would probably be nice enough to let you use the images free of charge, but you have to have their permission to use them. The coin is your property; the image is owned by the photographer - that's the law regardless of what your opinion may be. Will you actually be sued if you steal someone's image? Probably not, but my mama told me to do the right thing even when I can get away with doing the wrong thing.
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    topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>You buy the coin, you use the pictures. >>



    But what if you RETURN the coin? Do you have to take the digital image to the drugstore and have prints made to include with the returned coin?

    That might make a good "return policy."

    Or CANCEL all the pix with a big broad strip across em to assert your RIGHTS. Explain fully in the description that the strip does not hide any defects.

    Unless it DOES. In which case, provide a SEPARATE picture of the portion that you hid.

    Just to do the right thing.
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭



    what about a real nice drawing? image
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    I sold the first MS67 GW Denver mint Dollar on ebay and since buyers were expecting them to show up in large numbers it only brought $630. The buyer decided to resell it a few weeks later when the pop was still (and is still) 3. He got $3901 using my photos. I gave him a joking hard time about it and that is all there was to it. But the truth is, he most likely would not have gotten as much for it without my good photos. --Jerry

    Edited to add: No, he didn't ask before he did it.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When you post a picture on an eBay auction, you give eBay a transferable license to use the images IIRC.

    If you have a certain relationship with eBay, eBay will transfer the license to you for images that sellers post on their site. Of course, eBay's transfer to you may not include all uses you may wish.

    This is how it was explained to me a while back.
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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Directly from eBay:

    Item Description and Picture Theft

    eBay members are not allowed to use another eBay user's pictures or descriptions in their listings or About Me pages without the owner's permission.
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    << <i>Probably not, but my mama told me to do the right thing even when I can get away with doing the wrong thing. >>



    My mama also told me that "the right thing" isn't dictated by Congress. I believe that, in many cases, there is a WORLD of difference between the "legal" thing to do and the "right" thing to do (how many of you speed?). Unless I know that it's a professionally marketed picture (or they are using it to sell other coins--e.g. a stock photo), I don't see any problem with using an eBay seller's picture. But as others have mentioned, it is "illegal" and you could conceivably be sued for it.

    P.S. On the other hand, it is polite to ask permission first. I usually do, and it's never been refused.
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    << <i>When you post a picture on an eBay auction, you give eBay a transferable license to use the images IIRC. >>


    That might be true if you host the image on eBay's site, but I can't see it being true if they were hosted on another site.



    << <i>If you have a certain relationship with eBay, eBay will transfer the license to you for images that sellers post on their site. Of course, eBay's transfer to you may not include all uses you may wish. >>


    But in that case you are still having to ask for permission to use the pictures. You still can't legally just use the pictures without permission.

    Just ask the seller when you buy the coin. Better than 99% of the time the seller will give you permission. (By the way, I ask if I can have the RIGHTS to the image not if I can use it. If you have permission to use it and you sell the coin you CAN'T give the next person permission to use it because you don't have that right. His use is not your use so you giving him permission is not covered. But if I have th RIGHTS to the image I can do what I want with it, use if for what ever purpose I want and grant licenses or use rights to others. Permission for use means the image is still theirs. Granting of rights means the image is MINE.)
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Photos courtesy of PCGS
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    No, you will never own the pics. image

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    mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Probably not, but my mama told me to do the right thing even when I can get away with doing the wrong thing. >>


    My mama also told me that "the right thing" isn't dictated by Congress. >>

    My mom told me that if it's not mine, leave it alone.
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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Photos courtesy of PCGS [...] No, you will never own the pics. >>

    Does PCGS transfer ownership of TrueView photos or do they give you a license while retaining ownership themselves?

    Many photographers, think wedding photographers, are very reluctant to transfer ownership.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Zoins, PCGS retains ownership and made it quite clear to me.
    From my understanding, as long as credit is given and permission is granted, it's okay.

    Practice makes perfect & nobody is perfect. So, practice being nobody.

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