Toning on SAEs that I kind of like
Bochiman
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I pretty much know how these have toned as well.....
I like them....
I know whether I figure them to be AT or NT....how about what you think?
(sorry about file sizes, etc....still learning photoshop for snipping out the rest of the pic....no color editing was done on these, btw, just removal of extraneous elements in the photos and adding the black background)
I like them....
I know whether I figure them to be AT or NT....how about what you think?
(sorry about file sizes, etc....still learning photoshop for snipping out the rest of the pic....no color editing was done on these, btw, just removal of extraneous elements in the photos and adding the black background)
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<< <i>Plenty of GSA morgans are not toned at all, are you suggesting the gov dipped the untoned ones prior to sale? Assuming by "high tech storage" you don't mean sitting in a musty bank vault for 90 years. >>
I'm suggesting just what I said in my post. Nothing more. How GSA's remained untoned or BECAME untoned is not within the parameters of my post--however, I wouldn't believe a coin of over 100 years that is blast white is uncleaned. I don't care what holder it's in or who it came from. It wouldn't surprise me if the government cleaned them all before packaging and selling them--it was common practice to clean coins back then, and casinos cleaned every morgan dollar that passed through their system, many times over. I trust the government about as much as I trust shady seller's farm finds.
<< <i>Just doesn't seem practical for the gov to clean millions of coins before selling them. >>
What about some sort of industrial cleaner like casinos use? I agree it sounds silly, but I'm not a GSA expert. I'm not offering much of a reason for why there are blast white GSA's, just my opinion that coins over 100 years of age should be toned, and if they aren't I assume they are cleaned. And on the flipside, I assume modern coins that are toned were improperly stored. The doctors do their best to fool everyone and play tricks with people's minds, but if you just stick to this one philosophy they can't really do much to affect my feelings about the matter, especially if I wouldn't be in the market for a toned "eagle" in the first place. Nor a dipped white morgan.
<< <i> just my opinion that coins over 100 years of age should be toned, and if they aren't I assume they are cleaned. And on the flipside, I assume modern coins that are toned were improperly stored. The doctors do their >>
Coins that were protected by other coins in the bag are where the blast white ones came from. How else can you explain all of the crescent toned Morgans.
<< <i>I'm not offering much of a reason for why there are blast white GSA's, just my opinion that coins over 100 years of age should be toned, and if they aren't I assume they are cleaned. >>
How is that different than saying "I believe the world is flat. I can't explain away all the evidence to the contrary, but it happens to be my personal opinion that the world is flat."
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<< <i>New crap is up for grabs. I stared at this thing blast white and it did zilch. Now I like to look at it:
Cool, I like it
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<< <i>I guess thats one way to make milk spots more eye appealing.
It would be, Tom, but the white spots are actually just untoned...not milk spots. (I've had some with milk spots before
I have wondered if milk spots would tone though....anyone know?
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<< <i>'88 is real nice, '87 too spotty for me. You need more practice.
Thanks....tell the house environment it needs more practice though
These were stored in those cardboard holders (you know the kind...they are small and say things like "Happy Birthday", "Happy Anniversary", or "American Silver Eagle") in the plastic holders, and the holder was left open.
These were next to the FUGLY one (in the other thread I have right now) but it appears the cardboard and the plastic protected them from the major affects of whatever caused the ugliness on the other one.
Rick....I agree with your tongue in cheekiness there....anyone ever finds out how to tone over milk spots so they are hidden, and make it look NT, will have quite the business....
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Typical "cardboard" toning on a .999 fine highly reactive coin. I like it . . . I collect them . . . and I don't know what if any concern I might have about AT/NT. Leave these cardboard holders open on a windowsill and give them 6 months . . . voila! It's still a bullion coin . . . if someone wants to pay more for one, I have no say in the matter. I buy mine from local shops for spot plus a couple of bucks.
For the record . . . a submission of mine back in 2004 had 30 ASEs with wild, vivid toning. 25 of the 30 had this typical target-type cardboard coloration. A few were fugly, many were stunners (I still have them but have to learn how to image with this new digital camera). The last 5 were monochromatic golds and electric blues. I fully expected to get them back BB'ed (verb) . . . but all 30 made it through PCGS !!! Since that time I have sent in 4 other submissions of 2-3 each . . . all have been BB'ed. I believe there was a policy change on toned ASEs.
I don't think they are rare or particularly special . . but I do believe they are very uncommon in PCGS holders . . . I've only seen a few others (1 table at Long Beach a couple years ago) certified by PCGS.
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