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1916 Mercury Dime Grade please - New Pics Added

Opinions please?

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EDITED TO ADD: I am adding pictures of the doubling. It is periferal, with LIBERTY, IN GOD WE TRUST, 1916 doubled, plus I see a second nostril? I will add more pictures, I can't tell if it is shelf doubling...the second nostril is strange.

Here are pics:

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Comments

  • The "WE" in "In God We Trust" looks doubled. It looks sand blasted.
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  • << <i>The "WE" in "In God We Trust" looks doubled. It looks sand blasted. >>



    It reminds me of a Matte Proof...the surfaces do appear to be matte...strange.
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maching Doubling.


    Hoard the keys.
  • Grades, please...
  • AU50....with altered surfaces
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    Strike doubling is very common on Mercs...in fact you'd almost expect to see it on some issues.

    As for the surfaces, I'm not sure. They look grainy...but that could just be the lighting. One would ask, "why would someone alter surfaces of a coin that's not very valuable?". Surfaces might be altered, but it also might be the image...you know best since you have the coin in hand.

    I only see rub on the highest points...suggesting a slider grade, and the color (although not terribly attractive) looks OK.

  • RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I really can't see mint luster in the image, so I guess I'd say XF45 if not cleaned. Pete
    "Ain't None of Them play like him (Bix Beiderbecke) Yet."
    Louis Armstrong
  • nicely struck but worn on the high points (wings) ......45. I don't know about the doubling.
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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50 with machine/mechanical doubling.
    ----- kj
  • no popular varieties reported by Lange.
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    XF 40 cleaned with Maching Doubling.


    Hoard the keys.
  • I have said repeatedly in this forum that I am inept at grading. My "grading" posts here pretty much prove it.

    Whatever it is that shows the wear on the high points, on an XF or AU coin with original mint color, I simply don't see the variation. You can imagine why this whole MS- TPG grading epidemic that has taken over our hobby has truned me away from coin collevting, and in the direction of Historic Medals!

    As far as the scan goes, I only sharpen the picture, I try not to tweak the color, or if I do, I try to make it as close to what I see on the original. The surface does have sort of a matte appearance, the toning on the scan is close to accurate. The rims are really sharp as seen in the scan, but I guess that is common for the issue?

    On all of the coins I am showing here on the forum...I don't know where I got them, because I haven't actively collected coins for years. I do have a 7070, an IHC, Buffalo, and Half cent album, but I have collected those since the 1970's and have only recently upgraded my album. I may add a coin a year here and there, and the Buffalo collection is complete from years ago. In the last year, I have added only one half cent to all of those albums. When I go to a coin show, if I have time after hunting for medals, I will try to add a coin to one of my albums.

    My daughter is just now taking an interest in coins, so if he sticks with it, she will really luck out! I am selling my dupes on ebay, or anything that I find that is worthwhile in this new marketplace. I will keep my albums intact though.
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Although the doubling may not be what you were hoping for... it is still a nice coin. I do see some interesting die gouges under the chin. May or may not have been cleaned; but has nice detail and I do see the luster remaining.

    Keep watching for the varieties.... eventually you will find one of the 'real' ones!

    (hmm.... maybe you can call this coin the 'whisker' variety..... image)
    ----- kj
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ipmman, as I keep looking at the coin... I keep thinking the 'whiskers' are really interesting. Is there some raised 'stubble' on the chin also? If there is... I would consider keeping the coin as it may be an unknown variety that just may take hold.... who knows?
    ----- kj
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭

    ipmman, if you use photo software and you use the "sharpen image" tool, the picture will take on a textured look (like your dime), which will make it look like altered surfaces. I've experimented with this software modification and the coin totally changes appearence.

    I don't know for sure, but can you take a picture and just post it raw without editing? Curious to see the difference.

    /mdg

  • OK, here are new pcs without the sharpness adjustment.

    Photobucket is down right now, so i needed to reduce the picture and file size to upload these to CU, I'll add better pics once photobucket is up and running.


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  • I think the coin is UNC, but MS 60 only. Very little luster which may have been over dipped. Full Split Bands as well
  • mercurydimeguymercurydimeguy Posts: 4,625 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>OK, here are new pcs without the sharpness adjustment.
    Photobucket is down right now, so i needed to reduce the picture and file size to upload these to CU, I'll add better pics once photobucket is up and running.
    >>



    Do you see the difference now??

    The coin's surface looks totally different.

    I would say that it would slab...hard to "really" tell from this photo if there is any wear. If there is, it will go AU58...if not, it will slab MS62FB. It has been dipped a few too many times, but the toning is NT and has covered up the over-dipping...I don't see problems with it slabbing.

    Just my 10 cents image

    /mdg
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    MS63FB, but if the pics are accurate, the coin appears to have had deep toning removed via a dip which has left it dull.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • I am at work, and will post pictures later, but this mercury has TWO eyelids, TWO nostrils, TWO Chons and the serifs are seperate in several locations.

    Looks VERY Double Die. Look for a new post with Hi-res pictires later today...I really want prople to see this, I was totally blown away..

    Oh, and yes, it has WHISKERS!! Looks like Die Filing, but really cool. How can something so obvious be unrecorded?

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