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RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
1851 $20 Baldwin & Company
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PCGS pop= A single XF45
NGC pop= A single XF45

This coin is only one of three known pieces, and is certainly the finest. It is totally original and would grade MS62.

Baldwin & Company was started in 1850, after George Baldwin and Thomas Holman bought out Kohler & Company, the San Francisco-based company that are believed to have struck Miners Bank, Cincinnati Company and Pacific & Company pieces, among others. Baldwin struck $5 and $10 gold coins in 1850, and issued $10 and $20 gold coins in 1851. The firm was discredited in 1851 by journalist and occassional banker James King of William, who commissioned an assay of privately minted gold coins which showed Baldwin's coins to be underweight.

Baldwin's most famous coin is probably the 1850 $10 Vacquero or Horseman; however, the 1851 $20 is probably 4+ times rarer than the popular Horseman, and ranks among the most desirable Pioneer Gold issues.

What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1861 $20 Clark Gruber & Company
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    PCGS pop = 22 graded between Fine and AU58
    NGC pop = 6 graded between VF and AU58

    It must be noted that these numbers are CERTAINLY swelled with resubmissions - if there are 15 gradable coins out there, I would be surprised.

    This piece is probably the finest extant, and would easily grade MS62 today. It is fully lustrous and original, with lovely satiny surfaces. The 1861 $20 Clark Gruber is probably one of the most undervalued Pioneer Gold coins available today.

    The discovery of gold in present-day Colorado encouraged another Gold Rush in the late 1850s and early 1860s. Again, a stable and efficient means of exchange was desperately needed, and once again, private mints sprang up to satisfy this need. Chief among the Colorado Coiners was the firm of Clark, Gruber & Company. Acting not only as a mint, but as a bank as well, Clark-Gruber developed a reputation for integrity and competence that would lead the U.S. Government to purchase the company’s operation in 1863.

    Clark Gruber & Company struck $2 1/2, $5, $10 and $20 gold coins in both 1860 and 1861. As a denomination, Double Eagles are the rarest coins issued by Clark Gruber.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    (1851)$50 Device Punch by C.C. Wright
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    The device punch made by Charles Cushing Wright in 1851 that was used to make the dies for Humbert's Lettered-Edge slugs. A single impression from this punch is known in copper, and is currently part of the most comprehensive set of Pioneer Gold patterns ever assembled.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Maybe we like a sharp stick in the eye? Ever think about that possiblility?

    nice stuff.
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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1853 $20 US Assay Office 884-Thousandths
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    PCGS pop = 14 total with one 60, a 63 and a 64
    NGC pop = 9 total with three 60s, two 61s, a 62 and a 63

    The 1853 $20 Assay Office 884-Thousandths pieces were struck in late February of 1853, during a coin shortage caused by the fact that the Assay Office had run out of parting acids used to refine the local gold. In August of 1852, Congress had passed a law requiring all coins used for customs dues to be .900-fine, and the Assay Office tried to comply with this requirement as best they could; however, during the coin shortage of 1853, local merchants prevailed upon the USAOG to issue coins in a lower fineness to meet the needs of trade. These pieces were only struck for a week or so and are quite challenging in any grade. This example would most likely grade MS61, putting it in the condition census for the variety.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,049 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Regulated-
    I feel like a one-eyed cat in a fish store. Mike
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • speetyspeety Posts: 5,424
    The 1853 Assay gold has to be my favorite design on any coin. I like it better on the $50 slugs though image
    Want to buy an auction catalog for the William Hesslein Sale (December 2, 1926). Thanks to all those who have helped us obtain the others!!!

  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • IGWTIGWT Posts: 4,975
    Not quite an 1866-H 10c struck over a Halfpenny, but they'll do. image Each post deserves a separate thread.
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • curlycurly Posts: 2,880
    Good lord son........don't you know we're just workin' folk here?
    Every man is a self made man.
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    Wow. You are the worst person ever. Lousy showoff.

    Don't forget to check the fineness on that "silver" Pacific $1 image

    (and a marketing suggestion: is California license plate SLUGHUB taken yet?)


  • Does a sharp needle in the eye count? My moms had that done more that a few times.

    Awesome coins!
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very nice Regulated... but what is that third one???? Cheers, RickO
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I feel much better now that I have gotten that off my chest.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The third one is the device punch used to make dies for Humbert's Lettered Edge Slugs.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    Regulated, what metal detector model are you using? I need to get one of those, as it seems you are doing quite well.


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    ......thanks for the slide show. Very nice.
  • PistareenPistareen Posts: 1,505 ✭✭✭
    I still think you're a showoff and a punk.

    "Heyyy everyone ... look at myyyyyy Mormon $20!!"

    In all seriousness -- what a magnificent run of coins! Thanks for sharing David. That run of coins would have made John Work Garrett loosen his starched collar and could have even made ol' Ed Adams do a little dance.

    Now ... how about some pedigrees?

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  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would have to do a lot of research for pedigrees... Unfortunately none of these are for sale (and I will never own any), but I got to photograph them and had to share.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • Man, that explains it. No one person should be allowed to own all of that. It is just not right. I am still woozy. At least no one that would type their own threads. Nice Pics. I was going to ask you to adopt me.
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I've never been in Regulated's office, but I imagine it is filled with dusty old reference books, old photos of him with Wayte Raymond, John Ford & Biddles Bank, and rare coins indiscriminately dumped everywhere - on top of filing cabinets, on the floor. Maybe one in the men's room.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for sharing those great photos of fabulous coins. The Clark, Gruber $20 is my favorite. Something about "Pikes Peak" on Liberty's headband.

    Wow, those were great.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never been in Regulated's office, but I imagine it is filled with dusty old reference books, old photos of him with Wayte Raymond, John Ford & Biddles Bank, and rare coins indiscriminately dumped everywhere - on top of filing cabinets, on the floor. Maybe one in the men's room.

    You must be confusing me with Art Kagin.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the reply and the fabulous pictures... Cheers, RickO
  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    David, I appreciate you posting pictures of my collection. I just couldn't get those to photograph that well. image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,414 ✭✭✭✭✭
    David - Do the gold Pacific dollars have the obverse die cracks visible on "your" silver piece?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • I think I will go find a fast truck and step in front of it now........


    Thank you for sharing......simply incredible
    This is a very dumb ass thread. - Laura Sperber - Tuesday January 09, 2007 11:16 AM image

    Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
  • Rob85635Rob85635 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭
    Wonderful pictures.
    Rob the Newbie
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,414 ✭✭✭✭✭
    David - Is that a dig on the D of "LORD" or is it just dirt?


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    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • image Very very nice. But, Gimme a pic of the Moffat, "Shults", Dunbar, Dubosq, and Wass small head $5 pieces all lined up side-by-sde.image
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is a ding with toning in it.

    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake


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    What is that thing under the beaver???
  • This is the first time I had to go back and pull up a whole thread to just look at the pictures again. This is the best run of photos I have ever seen on this board. Thank you!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do not know how I missed this thread earlier. image
  • Everybody stop teasing me with your territorials! image
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NICE!
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    Jeesh what a show-offimageimage
  • RegulatedRegulated Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What is that thing under the beaver???

    Um, I think the beaver is a he (or did you mean the log?).


    What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Amazing coins!
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
  • fcfc Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭
    oi. this thread had my jaw dropped and drool leaking out.

  • JZraritiesJZrarities Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    Ohhhhh Myyyyyy.......(panting)
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    good lord, what a run of coins image

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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