Renamed thread- now an ancient coin thread!
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EDIT: The original title of this thread was, "Please sign this petition against Oregon Senate Bill 64 (metal detecting ban EVERYWHERE, including PRIVATE property!)". It was my knee-jerk reaction to some proposed legislation, but I did not read the fine print and now somebody says it is from 2005 agenda and therefore old news anyway? It was rapidly becoming a political thread, which I didn't like, so now I have remade it into a coin thread. I am now into ancient Roman coins, so post any ancients you have!
I'm not from Oregon- never been there, and possibly never will be, since it is on the exact opposite corner of the nation from me.
However, it is my understanding that this legislation would ban the recreational use of metal detectors everywhere, including private property.
Basically, Oregon would forbid you from using a detector on your OWN property, if I understand this correctly.
If such a draconian, stupid bill gets passed in Oregon, who knows what other states might follow suit?
For the sake of those of us who like to dig old coins and relics, please take a second to sign this petition. Think of the coins that have come to light as a result of metal detectors.
What's in it for you as a numismatist, if you are not also a detectorist?
Consider this: in some cases, like that of the Gloucester token, a detector find added a second or third known piece to our knowledge, and enabled numismatic researchers to read a bit more of the legends of this rare token, which otherwise would've been a mystery. Several of the Chain cents and 1792 half dimes now in private hands were originally found by detectorists.
And I don't need to tell you of the contributions to numismatics that have been made in other parts of the world by detectorists, particulary in places like England and around the Mediterranean basin (where detecting is legal or not completely banned).
Imagine if your government decided it was suddenly illegal to pursue your true joy. That all pre-1975 US coins had to be surrendered for melting, for example. People would still collect coins in secret, and the ban would be nearly unenforceable, but those who got caught would face harsh penalties. OK, so that is a bit of a farfetched scenario. But the thought of what I would do if my home state banned one of the true joys in my life is not a pleasant one.
I am not normally politically active, but I think these people must be stopped. Somebody has to cry "foul".
I have nothing against legislation that regulates detecting, or even which bans it from certain historical or culturally important sites and/or environmentally delicate places, but a TOTAL ban including PRIVATE property? To me, it sounds like a gross violation of people's private property rights.
Please sign here.
Thanks for your attention to this.
I'm not from Oregon- never been there, and possibly never will be, since it is on the exact opposite corner of the nation from me.
However, it is my understanding that this legislation would ban the recreational use of metal detectors everywhere, including private property.
Basically, Oregon would forbid you from using a detector on your OWN property, if I understand this correctly.
If such a draconian, stupid bill gets passed in Oregon, who knows what other states might follow suit?
For the sake of those of us who like to dig old coins and relics, please take a second to sign this petition. Think of the coins that have come to light as a result of metal detectors.
What's in it for you as a numismatist, if you are not also a detectorist?
Consider this: in some cases, like that of the Gloucester token, a detector find added a second or third known piece to our knowledge, and enabled numismatic researchers to read a bit more of the legends of this rare token, which otherwise would've been a mystery. Several of the Chain cents and 1792 half dimes now in private hands were originally found by detectorists.
And I don't need to tell you of the contributions to numismatics that have been made in other parts of the world by detectorists, particulary in places like England and around the Mediterranean basin (where detecting is legal or not completely banned).
Imagine if your government decided it was suddenly illegal to pursue your true joy. That all pre-1975 US coins had to be surrendered for melting, for example. People would still collect coins in secret, and the ban would be nearly unenforceable, but those who got caught would face harsh penalties. OK, so that is a bit of a farfetched scenario. But the thought of what I would do if my home state banned one of the true joys in my life is not a pleasant one.
I am not normally politically active, but I think these people must be stopped. Somebody has to cry "foul".
I have nothing against legislation that regulates detecting, or even which bans it from certain historical or culturally important sites and/or environmentally delicate places, but a TOTAL ban including PRIVATE property? To me, it sounds like a gross violation of people's private property rights.
Please sign here.
Thanks for your attention to this.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
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1984 happened just a few years ago. Big Brother is lagging just a little bit, but I'm thinking he's about to kick it up a notch.
<< <i>I may be mistaken, but isn't it now illegal to hunt near a historic site even if it is private property? I visited Antietam several years ago, and someone told me that. >>
I wouldn't be surprised. Certain historic areas can be like that. If they're adjacent to a National Park. I know I was detecting on private land adjacent to the Fort Frederica National Monument here, and had a ranger come out and tell me to buzz off, that I was within x-number of yards of the boundary.
I suppose that is understandable, to an extent. But I might have something to say about it if it were my property.
Like I said, I am not against regulations and limitations of our hobby. They are a hassle, but archaeological, cultural, and environmental resources do need protection from those who might become greedy or sloppy in their treasure hunting.
However, a sweeping, blanket-ban on ALL property, public and private, is ridiculous, draconian, and just plain... B
Big Brother, indeed.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
I admit I did not read all the fine print before I started hopping around in anger.
I still haven't, in fact. But some folks have pointed out clauses that make it seem not so draconian, perhaps.
Forgive us if this is a mountain out of a molehill. I saw this on Treasurenet, got all hyssie, and started raving.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
I'm no longer interested in reading the fine print, really. I just hope I didn't spread an urban legend.
One would certainly think that White's Electronics would have a BIG say about the matter.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
investigation on public { + or private + } lands according to
the provisions of ORS 390.235 { - or on private land with the
owner's written permission - } finds a sacred object or object
of cultural patrimony, the person conducting the archaeological
investigation shall notify in writing:
(a) The State Historic Preservation Officer; and
(b) The appropriate ethnic group, religious group or Indian
tribe with which the object is associated.
(2) If a sacred object or object of cultural patrimony is
recovered on any land, the State Historic Preservation Officer
shall assist the appropriate group to repossess the object.
(3) This section does not apply to the contents of an Indian
cairn or burial regulated under ORS 97.740 to 97.760.
(4) Failure to notify the appropriate Indian tribe as required
by subsection (1)(b) of this section is a Class B misdemeanor.
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I like metal detecting, I lived in Oregon for most of my life. I would not be worried about this bill at all.
<< <i>I thought Oregon was a liberal state? Don't the Democrats control the legislature? >>
I think you answered your own question.
<< <i>OR is democratic in that the largest chunk of the population live in Portland (probably 2/3 the population of the state) and PDx is very liberal. Almost the entire rest of the state is strongly republican. There's just no many people in the outlying areas. >>
I signed the petition - sounds like some radical lefties from California has invaded Oregon and are trying to impose socialism on its citizens.
I started a political thread. Me! Imagine that.
I guess even us nonpolitical folks can get stirred up if the topic is close to our hearts. Sometimes prematurely. This thread was a knee-jerk reaction, I will admit.
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
09/07/2006
<< <i>Looked up the details on a web site for the state of Oregon. This bill was from the 2005 legislative session, not the current one. >>
So it's much ado about nothing, then.
That does it. I'm gonna delete the title of this thread and make it a coin thread.
Let's see... what's a good topic? Hmm...
I'm growing into ancient coins at the moment. Who's got some ancients for us to admire? I know this is a Liteside forum, but I'll bet some of you closet Darksiders have a Widow's Mite or a Roman piece stuck away somewhere. Maybe even an Owl or two, or one of those groovy Lion & Bull staters like Weiss uses as an avatar...
Post 'em, yo!
Here is a desert-patina one I am gonna throw in as an incentive bonus when I drop my Darkside $1.00 leftovers on the forums and/or eBay, as a single lot:
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.
<< <i>I live in the PRC (Peoples Republic of California) and it wouldnt suprise me if this isnt from some of the lefties from the PRC. It seems you cant sneeze here without a permit or a fine if you get caught. >>
File this thread under "be careful what you complain about. It may have orginated with your fellow travelers and result in re-evaluating your beliefs"
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.