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  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now I remember rjsriv - he was the guy ranting about Heritage. They're incompetant, you know image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you.image >>




    Spoken like a true Bushie. image

    Why am I not surprised. >>



    Sounds like a liberal. Refuses to take personal responsibiliy.



    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421
    Not...until...we...reach... 100

    image

    I saw that coming
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,453 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you.image >>

    Spoken like a true Bushie. image Why am I not surprised. >>

    Sounds like a liberal. Refuses to take personal responsibiliy. >>

    Neither side wants him image


  • << <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you.image >>




    So you are admitting that you tried to threaten him with feedback in order for him to take the coin back at no charge? I thought feedback extortion was illegal. I suppose you think you should be refunded the S&H as well? Perhaps you should stop looking at everyone and accusing them as being holier than thou and look at what you have written. You posted your negative opinion on a PUBLIC forum about a seller. Others on that PUBLIC forum disagreed with your opinion so now you have a negative view of those people as well. So basically its agree with you or go to hell, right? I think you needed more hugs as a child or something.
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    "The Villain"

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    geez this guy is a real double ZERO.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "I thought feedback extortion was illegal. "

    /////////////////////////////////////////////

    Just to keep it real.......................


    Telling an EBAYer that you will leave a NEG if they do not
    honor YOUR perception of the contract is NOT "extortion"
    under the EBAY TOS.

    Some extortion examples, according to the TOS:

    "I am keeping this nice item. Either send me half of my money back on this item,
    or I will leave you a NEG."

    "Reduce the BIN price by 50% on two listings of my choice, or I will leave you a NEG
    on the item I just received."

    The demand has to be well outside of the scope of what Trust&Safety determines is
    a "good faith dispute" over the terms of the original contract.

    It is ALWAYS a bad idea to threaten a seller with a NEG - if you want him/her to meet
    your reasonable demand - BUT such a "threat" is not, in this case, "extortion."


    image
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Slightly Off topic but a few guys may want to know this.

    Coke with the yellow cap...........I can't find any.

    However Pepsi has the same thing. Cane sugar instead of corn syrup.


    Look for the White cap on the 2 litre bottle.

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tastes like back in the day!


    I figured this thread could use something good in it.


    also a K will be seen on the cap.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    Slightly Off topic but a few guys may want to know this.

    Coke with the yellow cap...........I can't find any.

    However Pepsi has the same thing. Cane sugar instead of corn syrup.


    Look for the White cap on the 2 litre bottle.

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tastes like back in the day!


    I figured this thread could use something good in it.


    also a K will be seen on the cap.

    Steve


    /////////////////////////////////////////////

    Excellent info!

    I will go on the hunt, NOW.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,453 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Slightly Off topic but a few guys may want to know this.

    Coke with the yellow cap...........I can't find any.

    However Pepsi has the same thing. Cane sugar instead of corn syrup.


    Look for the White cap on the 2 litre bottle.

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tastes like back in the day!


    I figured this thread could use something good in it.


    also a K will be seen on the cap.

    Steve


    /////////////////////////////////////////////

    Excellent info!

    I will go on the hunt, NOW. >>

    Nice. I just go to the Mexican restaurants and get Coke in the glass bottles. Mmm, the difference is amazing.
  • BigE2BigE2 Posts: 1,037


    << <i>

    << <i>Slightly Off topic but a few guys may want to know this.

    Coke with the yellow cap...........I can't find any.

    However Pepsi has the same thing. Cane sugar instead of corn syrup.


    Look for the White cap on the 2 litre bottle.

    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tastes like back in the day!


    I figured this thread could use something good in it.


    also a K will be seen on the cap.

    Steve


    /////////////////////////////////////////////

    Excellent info!

    I will go on the hunt, NOW. >>

    Nice. I just go to the Mexican restaurants and get Coke in the glass bottles. Mmm, the difference is amazing. >>



    Brother, you aren't kidding!
  • FjordFjord Posts: 185 ✭✭
    Is it time for a popcorn icon? or maybe a troll alert?
    Fjord
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"I thought feedback extortion was illegal. " ///////////////////////////////////////////// Just to keep it real....................... Telling an EBAYer that you will leave a NEG if they do not honor YOUR perception of the contract is NOT "extortion" under the EBAY TOS. Some extortion examples, according to the TOS: "I am keeping this nice item. Either send me half of my money back on this item, or I will leave you a NEG." "Reduce the BIN price by 50% on two listings of my choice, or I will leave you a NEG on the item I just received." The demand has to be well outside of the scope of what Trust&Safety determines is a "good faith dispute" over the terms of the original contract. It is ALWAYS a bad idea to threaten a seller with a NEG - if you want him/her to meet your reasonable demand - BUT such a "threat" is not, in this case, "extortion." image >>



    Good info squeezed into the middle of this thread. thanks.
  • fastrudyfastrudy Posts: 2,096
    image
    Need some popcorn with all that soda?
    Successful transactions with: DCarr, Meltdown, Notwilight, Loki, MMR, Musky1011, cohodk, claychaser, cheezhed, guitarwes, Hayden, USMoneyLover

    Proud recipient of two "You Suck" awards
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,453 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image
    Need some popcorn with all that soda? >>

    Thanks image


  • << <i>Just to keep it real.......................


    Telling an EBAYer that you will leave a NEG if they do not
    honor YOUR perception of the contract is NOT "extortion"
    under the EBAY TOS.

    Some extortion examples, according to the TOS:

    "I am keeping this nice item. Either send me half of my money back on this item,
    or I will leave you a NEG."

    "Reduce the BIN price by 50% on two listings of my choice, or I will leave you a NEG
    on the item I just received."

    The demand has to be well outside of the scope of what Trust&Safety determines is
    a "good faith dispute" over the terms of the original contract.

    It is ALWAYS a bad idea to threaten a seller with a NEG - if you want him/her to meet
    your reasonable demand - BUT such a "threat" is not, in this case, "extortion."


    image >>



    Sorry I guess I misunderstood...I thought if the seller did not offer any return policy (it has always been my understanding that no return policy means as is) and you email the seller demanding that he refund the full purchase price or else he would get a neg was a form of extortion.
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    image
    "The Villain"

    Shiba Rescue Organization
    A Shiba Inu is a terrible thing to waste! image
  • PetescornerPetescorner Posts: 1,220 ✭✭
    Hey rjsriv, you didn't use to go by "robohog2000" did you? just curious.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,010 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is anyone feeling the love ?
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Crack it out, pay the $50 to submit it to NCS, and move on. They've worked wonders on some proofs I've sent them. Sorry- I had to 'chime in'!

    --Christian
    You Suck! Awarded 6/2008- 1901-O Micro O Morgan, 8/2008- 1878 VAM-123 Morgan, 9/2022 1888-O VAM-1B3 H8 Morgan | Senior Regional Representative- ANACS Coin Grading. Posted opinions on coins are my own, and are not an official ANACS opinion.
  • planetsteveplanetsteve Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭✭
    I like the OP's image better than the ebay seller's. Looks frosty!

    I still wouldn't bother with it, just like I don't bother with dealers who post teeny images. OP, you can't expect to see the kind of flaws on an image like that which would even clue you in to the piece's grade, so why should your disappointment come as some surprise worthy of online publication?

    The seller should be adding a clear return policy, but at least they offered to take it back. The $35 charge could cover lost time, shipping and packaging, insertion fees, other ebay fees if not filing a "non-paying bidder" mutual agreement, and so on.
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey rjsriv, you didn't use to go by "robohog2000" did you? just curious. >>



    That name is also on my blocked bidders list...
  • bluelobsterbluelobster Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Looks like you gave the seller a neg. "DECEPTIVE PICTURES OF ITEM!!!!!"
    I don't feel the images were deceptive. They show the coin to be ugly and you bid anyway? >>

    Should this thread be titled "BEWARE of the Ebay buyer"? >>




    Yes, it's quite ironic. Unfortunately for the seller he found out too late
  • Rjsriv: You brought your case before a forum of your peers and it was overwhelmingly decided against you. Now everyone who disagreed is an idiot, self righteous, walks on water etc. It seems to be a classic case of shoot the messenger.
    It also smacks of gross immaturity to lash out at everyone who tried to point out to you that basically you made an error in judgement for bidding on a coin with pictures that were so poorly presented and no return policy.
    With so many coins like this on ebay that are clearly imaged and have a full return policy again I ask you: what was your motivation for choosing this one to bid on?
    Your temper tantrums and name calling plus your "blame everybody except me attitude" has only heaped more ridicule on you.
    Now place the pacifier back in your mouth, calm down and face the unpleasant truth. Nearly everyone thinks you were wrong.
    Oh yes, and since I would not want the hassle of dealing with you, I will join the throng of sellers who will block you. Dave W


    The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer.
    David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com
    dalias13@hotmail.com
  • ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 8,394 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Rjsriv: You brought your case before a forum of your peers and it was overwhelmingly decided against you. Now everyone who disagreed is an idiot, self righteous, walks on water etc. It seems to be a classic case of shoot the messenger.
    It also smacks of gross immaturity to lash out at everyone who tried to point out to you that basically you made an error in judgement for bidding on a coin with pictures that were so poorly presented and no return policy.
    With so many coins like this on ebay that are clearly imaged and have a full return policy again I ask you: what was your motivation for choosing this one to bid on?
    Your temper tantrums and name calling plus your "blame everybody except me attitude" has only heaped more ridicule on you.
    Now place the pacifier back in your mouth, calm down and face the unpleasant truth. Nearly everyone thinks you were wrong.
    Oh yes, and since I would not want the hassle of dealing with you, I will join the throng of sellers who will block you. Dave W


    The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer.
    David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com >>



    BLOCKED for obvious ridiculous reasons. Some people..............
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,509 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never sell on eBay but I blocked him on principle. image
    Besides, I didn't want to be left out.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I hope I was not being called a troll.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • FjordFjord Posts: 185 ✭✭


    << <i>I hope I was not being called a troll.

    Steve >>



    Hi Steve. If you're referring to my post about whether we need a popcorn icon or a troll alert, then no, I'm not calling you a troll.

    I was referring to the OP. I can't help but wonder if the jackinapes is trolling for put-downs.

    Maybe we need a good non-ascii "troll alert" warning. In ascii I've seen
    this fellow, but he'll appear tab-damaged on your screen.
    Fjord
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for clarifying fjord. I appreciate it. I only troll with my alt anyways.

    J/K image

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355


    << <i>Not...until...we...reach... 100

    image

    I saw that coming >>



    "Doctor! Doctor! Come quickly! We have an emergency in the waiting room!"

    "Not now, nurse! Can't you see I'm about to get number 100?!"
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

    image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,010 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I never sell on eBay but I blocked him on principle. image
    Besides, I didn't want to be left out. >>



    I think I ticked Carl W off last nite , but I'd still buy from him if he ain't blocked me image
  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's just all block each other and get it over with.image
    Larry

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Rjsriv: You brought your case before a forum of your peers and it was overwhelmingly decided against you. Now everyone who disagreed is an idiot, self righteous, walks on water etc. It seems to be a classic case of shoot the messenger.
    It also smacks of gross immaturity to lash out at everyone who tried to point out to you that basically you made an error in judgement for bidding on a coin with pictures that were so poorly presented and no return policy.
    With so many coins like this on ebay that are clearly imaged and have a full return policy again I ask you: what was your motivation for choosing this one to bid on?
    Your temper tantrums and name calling plus your "blame everybody except me attitude" has only heaped more ridicule on you.
    Now place the pacifier back in your mouth, calm down and face the unpleasant truth. Nearly everyone thinks you were wrong.
    Oh yes, and since I would not want the hassle of dealing with you, I will join the throng of sellers who will block you. Dave W


    The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer.
    David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com >>




    image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment



  • << <i>

    << <i>Hey rjsriv, you didn't use to go by "robohog2000" did you? just curious. >>



    That name is also on my blocked bidders list... >>



    Mine too (although I can't remember why), and rjsriv has now been added. image

    As a seller, I always left feedback after the buyer recieved the coin and stated his satisfaction. This did not necessarily mean leaving feedback, as a notification by e-mail would suffice.

    Starting out as a buyer, I just believed it was the buyer who should leave it first. I always believed that the transaction was not complete until the buyer recieved the coin and/or was satisfied.
    .
    My only negative was from a loony buyer (that's since been NARUed) that insisted that I should leave it first since he paid promptly. I believe that I read, at that time, somewhere on eBay that this was the normal procedure and sent the link to this idiot but there was no reasoning with him. He waited until he recieved the coin (with which he had no problem) and then negged me. I was my first and only, and it was from a loony who had recieved something like 13 in his first 8 months on ebay. image

    Russ, you should rethink your position on this,... you've been lucky so far. image

    Don, ZQZE

    BTW, this has been one of the better/worse "trainwrecks" I've witnessed in my five and a half years here! image
    FULL Heads RULE!
  • seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    Buyers beware
    I seldom check PM's but do check emails often jason@seated.org

    Buying top quality Seated Dimes in Gem BU and Proof.

    Buying great coins - monster eye appeal only.
  • VicPortlandVicPortland Posts: 288 ✭✭✭
    Looks like Sellers beware as well.

    Too bad ebay doesn't have an arbitration board who can review the arguments from both sides BEFORE a Neg can be entered against EITHER the buyer or seller (ha).

    In this case, I happen to agree with the majority. The images do not appear to be doctored. There was no return policy listed, etc.



  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    I too was of the opinion that once a buyer paid I'd leave feedback. After reading all the horror stories I had to agree with those that said it was not a done deal until the buyer had the item and was satisfied. So what i do now is for those customers that i am familiar with i leave it upon payment. For new customers I wait until they have received the item and leave it for me. If they do not leave feedback and a substantial amount of time has gone by and I have the time I'll leave it then. When I am the buyer I do not leave feedback first ever.


    Guys like this double zero are the reason that many sellers have a problem with leaving feedback upon payment.

    My feedback is over 550 now with 1250 transaction

    1 negative in retalliation from some scum who ripped me off.

    I wear that one Neg like it is a badge of honor.

    Hey did I tell you guys that PEPSI in the white cap kicks a$$?

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I never sell on eBay but I blocked him on principle. image
    Besides, I didn't want to be left out. >>



    Hey, that's my line. imageimage
  • bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't buy or sell on ebay.
    I manage money. I earn money. I save money .
    I give away money. I collect money.
    I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.




  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ, you should rethink your position on this,... you've been lucky so far. >>



    Don,

    I only left feedback for you first because you're a liberal and I thought you might cry if I didn't. image

    Russ, NCNE


  • << <i>

    << <i>Russ, you should rethink your position on this,... you've been lucky so far. >>



    Don,

    I only left feedback for you first because you're a liberal and I thought you might cry if I didn't. image

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Russ,

    As I've stated, I would not expect feedback until the transaction was complete, i.e. I, the buyer, was satisfied.
    Had you not (prematurely) left it for me, I would have still left the same glowing (and honest) feedback for you upon recieving the problem free coin. My niece loves her lovely birthyear commem! image

    BTW, did you notice that the "crying" OP seems to be a loony bush-bot? image

    Don, ZQZE image

    FULL Heads RULE!
  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭


    << <i>Rjsriv: You brought your case before a forum of your peers and it was overwhelmingly decided against you. Now everyone who disagreed is an idiot, self righteous, walks on water etc. It seems to be a classic case of shoot the messenger.
    It also smacks of gross immaturity to lash out at everyone who tried to point out to you that basically you made an error in judgement for bidding on a coin with pictures that were so poorly presented and no return policy.
    With so many coins like this on ebay that are clearly imaged and have a full return policy again I ask you: what was your motivation for choosing this one to bid on?
    Your temper tantrums and name calling plus your "blame everybody except me attitude" has only heaped more ridicule on you.
    Now place the pacifier back in your mouth, calm down and face the unpleasant truth. Nearly everyone thinks you were wrong.
    Oh yes, and since I would not want the hassle of dealing with you, I will join the throng of sellers who will block you. Dave W


    The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer.
    David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com >>





    Tell you what, if this thread did nothing else, it just got you blocked from one of the best coin dealers on ebay!

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