<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
No, uhm, your scan was just as bad as his.
J.
I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
"It appears that a historically good seller made the mistake of leaving FB for the unreasonable buyer immediately after the item was paid for."
BINGO.
The transaction isn't complete until the item is in hand. better to wait for confirmation that the buyer is satisfied before leaving feedback.
I bet they buyer would have waited more than he did before he slammed the seller. He came here for some thoughts and opinions, was shown to be in the wrong/unreasonable and his reaction is to go after the seller, AFTER getting both positive feedback ANd an opportunity to return the coin for a reasonable fee.
Had the seller used a picture similar to the OP's scan, which clearly shown the hideous toning along the bottom edge of the obverse, I really doubt he or anyone else would have bid according to the grade on the holder. The pictures the seller used did not clerly show the coin and were taken in a way as to occult the fact the coin was lacking in the eye appeal that would go along with the grade on the holder. The seller further more goes on to describe the coin as 'beautiful' which while subjective, I believe any resonable person would not agree with the sellers statement. IMO, the coin was not as described and he should have recourse against the seller through PayPal or his CC company.
Never teach a pig to sing. You'll waste your time and annoy the pig
<< <i>Had the seller used a picture similar to the OP's scan, which clearly shown the hideous toning along the bottom edge of the obverse, I really doubt he or anyone else would have bid according to the grade on the holder. The pictures the seller used did not clerly show the coin and were taken in a way as to occult the fact the coin was lacking in the eye appeal that would go along with the grade on the holder. The seller further more goes on to describe the coin as 'beautiful' which while subjective, I believe any resonable person would not agree with the sellers statement. IMO, the coin was not as described and he should have recourse against the seller through PayPal or his CC company. >>
Both images were just as bad. The OP can't provide a decent image and neither could the seller. Some people are just challenged in that area.
Jonathan
I have been a collector for over mumbly-five years. I learn something new every day.
I appreciate the comments on this thread. Those of you who plan on blocking me for your auctions on SLEAZEBAY, Go get bent. I wouldn't want to deal with you anyway if you can support a seller in a auction that was obviously DECEPTIVE. You probably pull the same type of crap.I guess all of you who slammed me have SUPERMANS eyesight-- I couldn't tell on the photo it was a POS or I wouldn't of bid. It seems to me there are alot of you Judgmental JACKASSES that cant read either so I will restate that I tried to negotiate with this clown and he wants to hold me up for 35 bucks cause he wanted to pull a fast one. OH NO!!!! I will eat the F in coin but I will get rid of it. I WARNED HIM THAT I WOULD NEG HIM AND HE GOT IT!!! IF YOU CAN"T PUT a good scan and DESCRIBE THE COIN RIGHT -- DONT POST IT. FOAD.
<< <i>I appreciate the comments on this thread. Those of you who plan on blocking me for your auctions on SLEAZEBAY, Go get bent. I wouldn't want to deal with you anyway if you can support a seller in a auction that was obviously DECEPTIVE. You probably pull the same type of crap.I guess all of you who slammed me have SUPERMANS eyesight-- I couldn't tell on the photo it was a POS or I wouldn't of bid. It seems to me there are alot of you Judgmental JACKASSES that cant read either so I will restate that I tried to negotiate with this clown and he wants to hold me up for 35 bucks cause he wanted to pull a fast one. OH NO!!!! I will eat the F in coin but I will get rid of it. I WARNED HIM THAT I WOULD NEG HIM AND HE GOT IT!!! IF YOU CAN"T PUT a good scan and DESCRIBE THE COIN RIGHT -- DONT POST IT. FOAD. >>
If you had asked him for the better scans or photos, none of this would have happened.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
rjsriv, Wow, what an interesting thread! It's unfortunate you're unhappy with the coin...I got burned a few months back but it only cost me $70 for a raw Barber half. The coin looks much better in the picture than what I have in hand. But, I chalked it up to new buyer's ignorance...I'm extremely careful about buying raw coins now. At least with a certified coin you know that a professional has examined it and can feel some satisfaction that you're not getting skinned. Good luck.
<< <i>I bought this from KMyoung9840ot on ebay last week EBAY#330100278890. Check his scan out. I showed the coin around at a show yesterday and to a person felt the coin was misgraded and not the same as in the pic.I tried to see about a return and the guy wants to clip me for 35 bucks to return it. Ill keep it and hope PCGS stands by its grade guarantee. Check my pic and youll see the hideous toning. it actually looks better in the scan that I did than what it really looks like. It is hazy and hits al over the front. I had one in a NGC 64 holder that blows this away >>
I'm chiming in late, but I think you should just take the $35 hit and send it back. The pictures are poor quality but don't appear deceptive; just by looking at the auction photo's I'd have been worried about that coin.
After reading your pre-emptive feedback and undignified responses, my opinion has changed. You received more than you deserved, and complained when people thought you over-reacted. It will be a sincere pleasure never doing business with you.
This seller didn't screw you. His pictures and description are not the best, but he made a very reasonable "out" for you. I'm sorry you feel justified in being a brat when you hear comments you don't like, but -
If you don't want to be contadicted, then don't post to a public forum.
I think the seller should tell you that a return will no longer be accepted as you ended the transaction with your negative feedback.
Its real easy to say "Oh take the 35$ hit" when it isn't your money. My feeling was when I spoke to the clown it would have been a hassle to the the refund Ive been stuck with dog coins before and so what I will take a hit. Ive seen good success with NCS and maybe that is the way to go. the clown no matter what some of you think derserved the neg. If he was so confident of the coins merit as he described he would have been happy to get it back because of the "NICE COIN" description There are soooo many judgemental -"holeyer than though" idiots that have replied to this WHEN ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS WARN about this JERK..
<< <i>Its real easy to say "Oh take the 35$ hit" when it isn't your money. My feeling was when I spoke to the clown it would have been a hassle to the the refund Ive been stuck with dog coins before and so what I will take a hit. Ive seen good success with NCS and maybe that is the way to go. the clown no matter what some of you think derserved the neg. If he was so confident of the coins merit as he described he would have been happy to get it back because of the "NICE COIN" description There are soooo many judgemental -"holeyer than though" idiots that have replied to this WHEN ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS WARN about this JERK.. >>
The only one behaving badly is you.
[edited to add the following]
Please don't destroy that coin's original surfaces by having it cleaned, even by an outfit as careful as NCS.
<< <i>I think you are being unfair to the seller, based upon the information at hand here. IMHO, you made a serious mistake when you gave the seller a negative so quickly, without really trying to resolve the issue in a fair manner. For this reason, I am putting you on my blocked list. >>
I fall into this camp also.
Too quick with the neg. Contact eBay try to remove it.
<< <i>Looks like you gave the seller a neg. "DECEPTIVE PICTURES OF ITEM!!!!!" I don't feel the images were deceptive. They show the coin to be ugly and you bid anyway? >>
Should this thread be titled "BEWARE of the Ebay buyer"? >>
Yes, indeed. rjsriv is now on my Blocked Bidder List. I sure don't need a head case like this bidding on my stuff. He can't come up with any better picture than the eBay seller yet he thinks the seller's pictures were deceptive? People living in glass houses should not throw stones.
I agree, and have also blocked rjsriv. I also mainly sell slabbed coins PCGS and do not offer returns on slabbed coins and state so in my listings. One mans ms65 is another mans ms64.
<< <i>Wow, did this turn out real messy. We all, including myself, have made mistakes in the past. Buyer needs to let this go. If I were the buer I would talk with the seller and negotaite the refund plus the $35.00 (which I feel is very reasoanable considering he stated no return policy). I would then attempt to have the negs mutually withdrawn, save face and move on. >>
I agree with the above...... It's the right thing to do.......
After seeing the attitude by the buyer, I joined the "added buyer to blocked bidder list".
People make mistakes but to strike out at everyone who disagrees and was pointing out things....uncalled for. Sorry. If you post to a public forum on the internet, be prepared for needing thick skin when people don't agree with you.
Thanks for the thread, rjkriv. Your's is an excellent example of what not to do as a buyer on ebay. I've also added you to my blocked bidder list. Maybe you should never bid on ebay again. Seriously.
<< <i>I appreciate the comments on this thread. Those of you who plan on blocking me for your auctions on SLEAZEBAY, Go get bent. I wouldn't want to deal with you anyway if you can support a seller in a auction that was obviously DECEPTIVE. You probably pull the same type of crap.I guess all of you who slammed me have SUPERMANS eyesight-- I couldn't tell on the photo it was a POS or I wouldn't of bid. It seems to me there are alot of you Judgmental JACKASSES that cant read either so I will restate that I tried to negotiate with this clown and he wants to hold me up for 35 bucks cause he wanted to pull a fast one. OH NO!!!! I will eat the F in coin but I will get rid of it. I WARNED HIM THAT I WOULD NEG HIM AND HE GOT IT!!! IF YOU CAN"T PUT a good scan and DESCRIBE THE COIN RIGHT -- DONT POST IT. FOAD. >>
Chill out. You made a mistake is all. No one deceived you or cheated you. There was no stated return policy (read: don't expect returns to be accepted). Nothing was particularly misleading. No offense to the seller, but while the image isn't great, it isn't any notably worse than any of his other auction images. Most auctions on eBay have iffy images at best. The coin appears to be original, which to many people would be beautiful. While I may struggle to call it beautiful (hard to say based on the available images), it is a subjective thing so at the very most you could only say that you and him have differing views of beauty. Considering he had no return policy, I'd say the seller was being generous offering to return the coin for $35. I would've taken it as a learning experience, and been happy it only cost you $35 (a small amount of money vs the total purchase). While it is always frustrating to eat a loss like that, it is far better than having too much pride to accept you messed up and simply returning the coin.
While I've never had a problem in the past, this is always why I wait until I know the buyer is happy with the purchase to leave feedback. Even though I offer returns, you just never know what will happen.
I'm learning and don't know exactly how to do it right all the time (buying on ebay), but I don't take my mistakes out on the sellers. Hopefully one learns a lesson or two, sometimes a hard lesson, and then wises up. The coin was hyped but was not misrepresented in the photos. It is in a PCGS slab. I could see the problems easily! Ebay lesson #1: if a coin looks like it may have a problem, then it probably does. At least it is in a PCGS slab.
Sheesh, he could always turn around and get approximately the same price for his coin by selling it on ebay. At least that is what I tell myself when I get burned.
It would be interesting to know what motivated you to bid on this coin. We all seem to agree that the pictures were not clear and offered no attraction for a bid of any amount above blue sheet sight unseen bid. You paid less than that and should be able to sell it into the sight unseen market for no loss. You apparently thought you had found a bargain that you could easily sell for a big profit and are bitterly disappointed that it didn't work. Your intent to send it to NCS to have it "gussied up" seems to bear this out. The only way I would have considered buying this coin is for the same reason. ie If it turns out to be a nice coin I will win. If it turns out to be a low end clunker, I bought it cheap and can sell it to a bargain hunter for sight unseen money. Little or no downside risk. This is probably what the seller did and you can do the same. No foul. Dave W
The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer. David J Weygant Rare Coins website: www.djwcoin.com
Let me recap this thread..........in your own words you call Ebay.........Sleazebay, but yet you are a customer. In your own words you say that you couldn't tell what the coin looked like by his scan, yet you bid on it anyway. In his ad he shows no return policy, yet you expect him to accept a return. You then put yourself at risk of a lawsuit by disparaging this guy publicly on a forum.
Let me ask you a question, what is it that you feel that you did right in this transaction?
Shame on the seller for not gIving you a full refund at the beginning(minus shipping and non-refundable ebay fees) . When you (his customer) inspected the coin in hand and was not happy with it.
Advanced collector of BREWERIANA. Early beer advertising (beer cans, tap knobs, foam scrapers, trays, tin signs, lithos, paper, etc)....My first love...U.S. COINS!
<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
A fast one? I don't think so. As far as your "longtime dealers" calling it overgraded, perhaps they were using a common lowballing tactic on you. Anyway, the seller provided the same coin as shown in his photos, offered you a return opportunity and you saw fit to neg him. FWIW, I've blocked you from my Ebay auctions.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>Let me recap this thread..........in your own words you call Ebay.........Sleazebay, but yet you are a customer. In your own words you say that you couldn't tell what the coin looked like by his scan, yet you bid on it anyway. In his ad he shows no return policy, yet you expect him to accept a return. You then put yourself at risk of a lawsuit by disparaging this guy publicly on a forum.
Let me ask you a question, what is it that you feel that you did right in this transaction? >>
Has anyone emailed the seller to let him know about this guy's "slamdance"?
MONEY and the ill effects thereof.... it's more than a perspective. There is a lesson with each breath we take. I suggest taking a few between posts and learning to accept that we don't always win. Man never gains much when he burns his bridges. We all need each other in some small way.
<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
I think that you are completely wrong in this case. I hope to avoid buyers like you - life is too short. Next time, why not try reading the return policy of the seller before you bid?
Uncooperative? You bought an $800 piece of plastic virtually sight unseen and didn't like it. Seller offers to take the return (and many sellers of TPG coins on Ebay take no returns) for $35.00 restocking? You neg him and expect him to honor your request?
Words cannot express the contempt that I hold for buyers like this.
<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
I think that you are completely wrong in this case. I hope to avoid buyers like you - life is too short. Next time, why not try reading the return policy of the seller before you bid?
Uncooperative? You bought an $800 piece of plastic virtually sight unseen and didn't like it. Seller offers to take the return (and many sellers of TPG coins on Ebay take no returns) for $35.00 restocking? You neg him and expect him to honor your request?
Words cannot express the contempt that I hold for buyers like this. >>
When a seller has a no return policy, don't bid. When the pictures are bad ask for more. If the description is lacking info, ask a question. I can't believe I am even responding to this thread.
<< <i>Its real easy to say "Oh take the 35$ hit" when it isn't your money. My feeling was when I spoke to the clown it would have been a hassle to the the refund Ive been stuck with dog coins before and so what I will take a hit. Ive seen good success with NCS and maybe that is the way to go. the clown no matter what some of you think derserved the neg. If he was so confident of the coins merit as he described he would have been happy to get it back because of the "NICE COIN" description There are soooo many judgemental -"holeyer than though" idiots that have replied to this WHEN ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS WARN about this JERK.. >>
What part of NO RETURNS did you not understand? I can not believe he even offered to take it back! I hope to God the seller is now smart enough to tell you to take a hike on any refund! It is not his merit of the coin that anyone relied on but the TPG's, in this case PCGS. So basically you negged the seller for giving you what you wanted, and for the seller going the extra mile to refund you even though he did not have to. What actually cost you more the $35.00 return charge or the cost of the coin?
You hit the guy with a negative right away. You should have taken the time to calm down first and maybe posted a question as to what to do here BEFORE you gave him a negative feedback. You got caught up in the bidding as many of us do and overbid. Auction items in most cases should not be returnable although coin people for the most part seem to be more lenient. eBay gives you plenty of time to leave feedback. Next time - i suggest that you calm down first, then seek advice and try to resolve the issue, and then after say a month leave negative feedback if you still think the seller deserves it. I, for one, would not have bid even $100 on that auction with those pictures. You have little recourse at this point.
IF YOU CAN"T PUT a good scan and DESCRIBE THE COIN RIGHT -- DONT POST IT. FOAD. My policy is: " If the scan or photo is not good, I simply DONT BID."
AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you.
rjsriv, It seems like you don't understand how eBay auctions work. It's buyer beware. There is nothing unusual about this auction that makes it stand out from the rest, except possibly that the seller was being nice to you by allowing you to return the coin when he didn't have to.
If you want to change this situation, you might have to change how eBay auctions work in general which is a much larger task.
<< <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you. >>
My contempt for you as a buyer is based upon your complete refusal to accept any responsability for your own actions. Mr Weygant was spot on in his analysis - you didn't get the rip that you were expecting.
Your moralistic construct appears to be built upon a foundation of sand.
Others here are self righteous? Pot. Kettle. Black.
<< <i>But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you. >>
After this thread, significantly fewer of those coins are going to be available to you.
<< <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you. >>
Man, you just get worse and worse. Dude, if you want to see a clown, look in the mirror.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you. >>
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<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
No, uhm, your scan was just as bad as his.
J.
of leaving FB for the unreasonable buyer immediately after
the item was paid for."
BINGO.
The transaction isn't complete until the item is in hand. better to wait for confirmation that the buyer is satisfied before leaving feedback.
I bet they buyer would have waited more than he did before he slammed the seller. He came here for some thoughts and opinions, was shown to be in the wrong/unreasonable and his reaction is to go after the seller, AFTER getting both positive feedback ANd an opportunity to return the coin for a reasonable fee.
<< <i>"It appears that a historically good seller made the mistake
of leaving FB for the unreasonable buyer immediately after
the item was paid for."
BINGO. >>
Again this is exactly why a seller should not leave feedback until they know the buyer is satisfied.
Rob
"Those guys weren't Fathers they were...Mothers."
<< <i>Had the seller used a picture similar to the OP's scan, which clearly shown the hideous toning along the bottom edge of the obverse, I really doubt he or anyone else would have bid according to the grade on the holder. The pictures the seller used did not clerly show the coin and were taken in a way as to occult the fact the coin was lacking in the eye appeal that would go along with the grade on the holder. The seller further more goes on to describe the coin as 'beautiful' which while subjective, I believe any resonable person would not agree with the sellers statement. IMO, the coin was not as described and he should have recourse against the seller through PayPal or his CC company. >>
Both images were just as bad. The OP can't provide a decent image and neither could the seller. Some people are just challenged in that area.
Jonathan
<< <i>I appreciate the comments on this thread. Those of you who plan on blocking me for your auctions on SLEAZEBAY, Go get bent. I wouldn't want to deal with you anyway if you can support a seller in a auction that was obviously DECEPTIVE. You probably pull the same type of crap.I guess all of you who slammed me have SUPERMANS eyesight-- I couldn't tell on the photo it was a POS or I wouldn't of bid. It seems to me there are alot of you Judgmental JACKASSES that cant read either so I will restate that I tried to negotiate with this clown and he wants to hold me up for 35 bucks cause he wanted to pull a fast one. OH NO!!!! I will eat the F in coin but I will get rid of it. I WARNED HIM THAT I WOULD NEG HIM AND HE GOT IT!!! IF YOU CAN"T PUT a good scan and DESCRIBE THE COIN RIGHT -- DONT POST IT. FOAD.
If you had asked him for the better scans or photos, none of this would have happened.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The only person here that was deceptive was you.
Steve
LoL so for a lousey 35.00 you will eat a POS coin that you have 800.00 into?
Geez you are not the sharpest tool in the shed I see.
FOAD yourself.
Steve
Wow, what an interesting thread! It's unfortunate you're unhappy with the coin...I got burned a few months back but it only cost me $70 for a raw Barber half. The coin looks much better in the picture than what I have in hand. But, I chalked it up to new buyer's ignorance...I'm extremely careful about buying raw coins now. At least with a certified coin you know that a professional has examined it and can feel some satisfaction that you're not getting skinned. Good luck.
Seriously, you might want to find out if there is any way to get rid of the neg. Probably not, but it's worth checking.
<< <i>I bought this from KMyoung9840ot on ebay last week EBAY#330100278890. Check his scan out. I showed the coin around at a show yesterday and to a person felt the coin was misgraded and not the same as in the pic.I tried to see about a return and the guy wants to clip me for 35 bucks to return it. Ill keep it and hope PCGS stands by its grade guarantee. Check my pic and youll see the hideous toning. it actually looks better in the scan that I did than what it really looks like. It is hazy and hits al over the front. I had one in a NGC 64 holder that blows this away >>
I'm chiming in late, but I think you should just take the $35 hit and send it back. The pictures are poor quality but don't appear deceptive; just by looking at the auction photo's I'd have been worried about that coin.
After reading your pre-emptive feedback and undignified responses, my opinion has changed. You received more than you deserved, and complained when people thought you over-reacted. It will be a sincere pleasure never doing business with you.
This seller didn't screw you. His pictures and description are not the best, but he made a very reasonable "out" for you. I'm sorry you feel justified in being a brat when you hear comments you don't like, but -
If you don't want to be contadicted, then don't post to a public forum.
I think the seller should tell you that a return will no longer be accepted as you ended the transaction with your negative feedback.
Steve
<< <i>Its real easy to say "Oh take the 35$ hit" when it isn't your money. My feeling was when I spoke to the clown it would have been a hassle to the the refund
The only one behaving badly is you.
[edited to add the following]
Please don't destroy that coin's original surfaces by having it cleaned, even by an outfit as careful as NCS.
Not really, it is easier to take that hit as opposed to taking a 811.00 hit.
Lets see, I can get 94.5 percent of my money back, or live with a dog coin where I am out 811.00.
Pretty easy for me.
You should change the title of this thread to 'beware of ebay buyer'
Gawd I just love these trainwrecks.
Steve
Edited to add: thanks for the warning.
lol holeyer than though" idiots
I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you really showed your true colors today.
You are a first-class loser! Get lost somewhere else and stop wasting everybody's time.
Edited to add: BlindTiger, you were right. I was wrong.
Meet my first little guy, Benjamin. Born 4/8/2007
Pic taken at 2.5 years of age.
<< <i>I think you are being unfair to the seller, based upon the information at hand here. IMHO, you made a serious mistake when you gave the seller a negative so quickly, without really trying to resolve the issue in a fair manner. For this reason, I am putting you on my blocked list.
I fall into this camp also.
Too quick with the neg. Contact eBay try to remove it.
Rookie Joe
okay, maybe not so much the make friends part,
you're sure influencing a lot of people, though...
to recap:
pay 800 bucks for coin with no return policy stated
are offered a reasonable return AFTER THE FACT
leave negative feedback on ebay
attempt to slam seller here
given comeuppance
have hissy fit
well done, sir!
thanks for the good fun
z
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<< <i>Looks like you gave the seller a neg. "DECEPTIVE PICTURES OF ITEM!!!!!"
I don't feel the images were deceptive. They show the coin to be ugly and you bid anyway? >>
Should this thread be titled "BEWARE of the Ebay buyer"? >>
Yes, indeed. rjsriv is now on my Blocked Bidder List. I sure don't need a head case like this bidding on my stuff. He can't come up with any better picture than the eBay seller yet he thinks the seller's pictures were deceptive? People living in glass houses should not throw stones.
I agree, and have also blocked rjsriv. I also mainly sell slabbed coins PCGS and do not offer returns on slabbed coins and state so in my listings. One mans ms65 is another mans ms64.
Jonathan >>
<< <i>Wow, did this turn out real messy. We all, including myself, have made mistakes in the past. Buyer needs to let this go. If I were the buer I would talk with the seller and negotaite the refund plus the $35.00 (which I feel is very reasoanable considering he stated no return policy). I would then attempt to have the negs mutually withdrawn, save face and move on. >>
I agree with the above...... It's the right thing to do.......
People make mistakes but to strike out at everyone who disagrees and was pointing out things....uncalled for. Sorry.
If you post to a public forum on the internet, be prepared for needing thick skin when people don't agree with you.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>I have seen a lot of these proof walkers that are hazed and toned over and still grade relatively high. >>
Yep, it's very common on these and many collectors prefer them that way because it's generally a sign of originality.
Russ, NCNE >>
Without a doubt ....
This is precise as you will ever find a numismatic statement !
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<< <i>I appreciate the comments on this thread. Those of you who plan on blocking me for your auctions on SLEAZEBAY, Go get bent. I wouldn't want to deal with you anyway if you can support a seller in a auction that was obviously DECEPTIVE. You probably pull the same type of crap.I guess all of you who slammed me have SUPERMANS eyesight-- I couldn't tell on the photo it was a POS or I wouldn't of bid. It seems to me there are alot of you Judgmental JACKASSES that cant read either so I will restate that I tried to negotiate with this clown and he wants to hold me up for 35 bucks cause he wanted to pull a fast one. OH NO!!!! I will eat the F in coin but I will get rid of it. I WARNED HIM THAT I WOULD NEG HIM AND HE GOT IT!!! IF YOU CAN"T PUT a good scan and DESCRIBE THE COIN RIGHT -- DONT POST IT. FOAD.
Chill out. You made a mistake is all. No one deceived you or cheated you. There was no stated return policy (read: don't expect returns to be accepted). Nothing was particularly misleading. No offense to the seller, but while the image isn't great, it isn't any notably worse than any of his other auction images. Most auctions on eBay have iffy images at best. The coin appears to be original, which to many people would be beautiful. While I may struggle to call it beautiful (hard to say based on the available images), it is a subjective thing so at the very most you could only say that you and him have differing views of beauty. Considering he had no return policy, I'd say the seller was being generous offering to return the coin for $35. I would've taken it as a learning experience, and been happy it only cost you $35 (a small amount of money vs the total purchase). While it is always frustrating to eat a loss like that, it is far better than having too much pride to accept you messed up and simply returning the coin.
While I've never had a problem in the past, this is always why I wait until I know the buyer is happy with the purchase to leave feedback. Even though I offer returns, you just never know what will happen.
Sheesh, he could always turn around and get approximately the same price for his coin by selling it on ebay. At least that is what I tell myself when I get burned.
You apparently thought you had found a bargain that you could easily sell for a big profit and are bitterly disappointed that it didn't work. Your intent to send it to NCS to have it "gussied up" seems to bear this out.
The only way I would have considered buying this coin is for the same reason. ie If it turns out to be a nice coin I will win. If it turns out to be a low end clunker, I bought it cheap and can sell it to a bargain hunter for sight unseen money. Little or no downside risk.
This is probably what the seller did and you can do the same. No foul. Dave W
The priceless ingredient in any coin transaction is the integrity of the dealer.
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Let me ask you a question, what is it that you feel that you did right in this transaction?
<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
A fast one? I don't think so. As far as your "longtime dealers" calling it overgraded, perhaps they were using a common lowballing tactic on you. Anyway, the seller provided the same coin as shown in his photos, offered you a return opportunity and you saw fit to neg him. FWIW, I've blocked you from my Ebay auctions.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>Let me recap this thread..........in your own words you call Ebay.........Sleazebay, but yet you are a customer. In your own words you say that you couldn't tell what the coin looked like by his scan, yet you bid on it anyway. In his ad he shows no return policy, yet you expect him to accept a return. You then put yourself at risk of a lawsuit by disparaging this guy publicly on a forum.
Let me ask you a question, what is it that you feel that you did right in this transaction? >>
Has anyone emailed the seller to let him know about this guy's "slamdance"?
There is a lesson with each breath we take.
I suggest taking a few between posts and learning to accept that we don't always win.
Man never gains much when he burns his bridges. We all need each other in some small way.
Beware !
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<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
I think that you are completely wrong in this case. I hope to avoid buyers like you - life is too short. Next time, why not try reading the return policy of the seller before you bid?
Uncooperative? You bought an $800 piece of plastic virtually sight unseen and didn't like it. Seller offers to take the return (and many sellers of TPG coins on Ebay take no returns) for $35.00 restocking? You neg him and expect him to honor your request?
Words cannot express the contempt that I hold for buyers like this.
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<< <i>Hey I tried to resolve this with the seller but he was uncooperative..IMO he tried to pull a fast one and so I got it. Im just trying to warn about this clown. This coin may end up going to NCS across the street. I had lontime dealers look at this coin and said it is overgraded. Anytime Ive sold stuff I give refunds and my scans are acurate unlike some people. I guess it is hard to take the highroad. >>
I think that you are completely wrong in this case. I hope to avoid buyers like you - life is too short. Next time, why not try reading the return policy of the seller before you bid?
Uncooperative? You bought an $800 piece of plastic virtually sight unseen and didn't like it. Seller offers to take the return (and many sellers of TPG coins on Ebay take no returns) for $35.00 restocking? You neg him and expect him to honor your request?
Words cannot express the contempt that I hold for buyers like this. >>
<< <i>Its real easy to say "Oh take the 35$ hit" when it isn't your money. My feeling was when I spoke to the clown it would have been a hassle to the the refund
What part of NO RETURNS did you not understand? I can not believe he even offered to take it back! I hope to God the seller is now smart enough to tell you to take a hike on any refund!
It is not his merit of the coin that anyone relied on but the TPG's, in this case PCGS. So basically you negged the seller for giving you what you wanted, and for the seller going the extra mile to refund you even though he did not have to.
What actually cost you more the $35.00 return charge or the cost of the coin?
IF YOU CAN"T PUT a good scan and DESCRIBE THE COIN RIGHT -- DONT POST IT. FOAD.
My policy is: " If the scan or photo is not good, I simply DONT BID."
Not hard at all. Bob
If you want to change this situation, you might have to change how eBay auctions work in general which is a much larger task.
<< <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you.
My contempt for you as a buyer is based upon your complete refusal to accept any responsability for your own actions. Mr Weygant was spot on in his analysis - you didn't get the rip that you were expecting.
Your moralistic construct appears to be built upon a foundation of sand.
Others here are self righteous? Pot. Kettle. Black.
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<< <i>But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you. >>
After this thread, significantly fewer of those coins are going to be available to you.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you.
Man, you just get worse and worse. Dude, if you want to see a clown, look in the mirror.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
<< <i>AGAIN, I appreciate the feedback and AGAIN to the SELF RIGHTEOUS before you start condeming and slamming me, I tried to give the clown a option to make it right AND WARNED him that I would neg him. For those of you who decided to block me THANK YOU. As The President would say "If you are not with us you are with the terrorist" So I guess you Self rightous idiots are with people that would pull the same kind of crap with poor scans and descriptions like "Beautifil coin". But hey its easy to be that way when you "WALK on Water". There are plenty of coins out there and I don't need to buy them from the likes of you.
Spoken like a true Bushie.
Why am I not surprised.
<< <i>Is this thread ever going to end? I guess not as long as buyer keeps chiming in. Let it go dude.
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