What's the Oldest U.S. Mint Coin Die Known to Exist?
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<< <i>Andy - was that an 1820? >>
There is an 1804 and 1823 restrike listed in the red book.
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<< <i>Some of the privately issed California gold coin dies from the 1850's are still in existence. >>
Wouldn't it be fun to have a set of those?
<< <i>If memory serves, there are a few CC dies out there somewhere..... I believe they were found during an excavation near the mint site...... Morgan reverses come to mind
try several about 500. They were excavated from the CC Mint yard. I had the opportunity to hand inspect a group of them a few months ago. Most are heavily resuted but some are almost perfectly preserved. All cancelled though. Most were from 1875-1876
<< <i>I asked on the board once if the original art work, hubs etc for past issues still existed. The answers I received seem to suggest the they were pretty much destroyed by the Mint around the time of the infamous Pittman Act. >>
The mint used to keep a great many of their old dies and hubs but after the round of "private enterprise" at the mint in the late 1850's most of the dies were destroyed, but not the hubs. After the next round of private enterprise in the 1870's the dies AND the hubs were destroyed and rules were set in place for the destruction of all the dies each year. I don't know much about the models but I do know the galvanos have been destroyed or sometimes simply discarded, on several occasions.
The other early US dies know to me are the 1806 O123 & 124 obverse half dollar die, 1809 O110 obverse half dollar die, 1818 N9 obverse cent die, 1823 N2 obverse cent die and 1813 S293 reverse cent die, the last 2 being used to strike the 1823 Restrike cents.
The 09-110, 23 N2, and S293 dies are in private hands. The rest are in the ANS collection. I have not found the 04 Restrike cent dies nor any other early dies reportedly in private hands.
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<< <i>The earliest die KNOWN to me is the 1803 obverse $10 gold in the ANS collection. It was apparently never used as it is not traced to a known variety. The earliest known (to me) used dies are the 1805 O102 obverse half dollar die and the 1805 B2 obverse quarter die .
The other early US dies know to me are the 1806 O123 & 124 obverse half dollar die, 1809 O110 obverse half dollar die, 1818 N9 obverse cent die, 1823 N2 obverse cent die and 1813 S293 reverse cent die, the last 2 being used to strike the 1823 Restrike cents.
The 09-110, 23 N2, and S293 dies are in private hands. The rest are in the ANS collection. I have not found the 04 Restrike cent dies nor any other early dies reportedly in private hands. >>
So there is several early dies still left, good info.
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Isn't there a set of Fugio dies somewhere? I thought I read a story about the dies being purchased in Hartford in the 1800's. Seems to me the buyer was very aware just how valuable these were and if this story is true, they should still exist today.
Anyone know the story?
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<< <i>Isn't there a set of Fugio dies somewhere? I thought I read a story about the dies being purchased in Hartford in the 1800's. Seems to me the buyer was very aware just how valuable these were and if this story is true, they should still exist today. >>
Yes the New Haven "restrike" dies still exist but they aren't US dies, and they were made in the 1860's. They are just copy dies that really have nothing to do with the original Fugios.
Writersblock - Thank you for clarifying this for me.
A link to the story.