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Name a Truely Rare Modern Business Strike Coin...

Business Strikes only that have been minted 1960 to present.

I can't seem to think of one.

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Business Strikes only that have been minted 1960 to present.

    I can't seem to think of one. >>

    I assume you're not including errors and varieties here, or I'd mention the 1969-S DDO cent.
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Great post! image
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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,636 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I can't think of any truely rare classic business strike coins either...
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I can't think of any truely rare classic business strike coins either... >>

    You're kidding, right?
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    edix2001edix2001 Posts: 3,388 ✭
    1988 180 degree rotated reverse Kennedy.
    I had one.
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    1974 aluminum cent. What did I win?
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    << <i>I can't think of any truely rare classic business strike coins either... >>



    LOL you need to think harder. How about an 1875 Gold Dollar with a mintage of 400 ?
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,345 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1988 180 degree rotated reverse Kennedy.
    I had one. >>



    There were about 12,000 minted with a rotated reverse and many of these
    survive. Probably only about 3,000 have the full 180 degree rotation but this
    is still a common coin.

    We've had threads where we've come up with many dozens of rare modern
    business strikes as well as some proofs. If you add in scarce coins the number
    goes up somewhat. If you add coins that are tough in nice condition then the
    number soars.

    Everyone seems to think that a nice choice attractive set of all the moderns are
    easy except for those who've tried it.
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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1969-S double die cent. or there aren't any.
    I can't think of any truely rare classic business strike coins either
    In that case please sell me all your 1802 half dimes at type coin prices. Any condition accepted even beatup culls. and thanks in advance ! Bob
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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing comes to mind. If you want to get down to a die variety, then you can use coins like the Type 2 1972 Ike (which I do not consider rare).
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    CK, modern women aren't rare either, but I love studying them Do you suppose the OP thinks they're all the same, or does condition matter! image
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
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    I collect modern commemoratives, so in my area of interest the most popular business strike would be the 2001 American Buffalo. IMOimage
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OneCent Question-----Name a Truely Rare Modern Business Strike Coin...
    kiyote Answer-----I can't think of any truely rare classic business strike coins either...

    Ziggy29 Retort-----You're kidding, right?

    keets contribution-----considering that a Truely Rare coin of any kind is a coin with an existing population(known numbers) of less than 75 based the accepted measure of the Sheldon Scale which is probably the most commonly used, i'd challenge ziggy29 to list his truely rare classic business strike coins as soon as possible.

    Please........................

    i would also add that most of the "Modern" examples listed or to be listed aren't necessarily business strike coins, they are either SMS coins, patterns or some other disqualifying type of issue.

    i am not inclined to search for candidates but i assume any list will be exceptionally small, perhaps able to be counted on the fingers of one hand.
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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>OneCent Question-----Name a Truely Rare Modern Business Strike Coin...
    kiyote Answer-----I can't think of any truely rare classic business strike coins either...

    Ziggy29 Retort-----You're kidding, right?

    keets contribution-----considering that a Truely Rare coin of any kind is a coin with an existing population(known numbers) of less than 75 based the accepted measure of the Sheldon Scale which is probably the most commonly used, i'd challenge ziggy29 to list his truely rare classic business strike coins as soon as possible.

    Please........................ >>



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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Business Strikes only that have been minted 1960 to present.

    I can't seem to think of one. >>

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    anoldgoatanoldgoat Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭
    1992 close AM cents are < 75 known.
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1927-D Saint

    that would be a good candidate, but realistically it's possible(not probable) that many may exist overseas in bank vaults.

    1992 close AM cents are < 75 known.

    it's safe to assume that many more exist.
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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>1927-D Saint

    that would be a good candidate, but realistically it's possible(not probable) that many may exist overseas in bank vaults.

    1992 close AM cents are < 75 known.

    it's safe to assume that many more exist. >>



    I used your definition.

    The chance many more exist over seas would be far less than 1%. These were never released due to lack of need. The only ones out there were picked up by collectors from the Mint.

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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    Unlike (the very few) truly rare classic dates, there are NO rare modern dates. This isn't about condition rarity, errors, die varieties, or any of that. No coin minted 1960 to date, by denomination and date, is a rarity. That includes proofs obviouslly, and excludes the errors.

    This doesn't put down collecting them nor say that there aren't condition rarities or rare errors and varieties.

    The aluminum cent is in a sort of limbo. It is not really a pattern but was never released as a business strike and likely illegal to own anyway. I think they were technically called experimental and thus disqualified as business strikes.
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>keets contribution-----considering that a Truely Rare coin of any kind is a coin with an existing population(known numbers) of less than 75 based the accepted measure of the Sheldon Scale which is probably the most commonly used, i'd challenge ziggy29 to list his truely rare classic business strike coins as soon as possible.

    Please........................ >>


    1802 half dime
    1822 half eagle
    1875 quarter eagle
    1854-S quarter eagle
    1878-S half dollar
    1853-O no arrows half dollar
    1873-CC no arrows dime
    1793 strawberry leaf cent
    1849-C open wreath gold dollar
    1876-CC twenty cent piece
    1815 half eagle

    Need I continue?
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Need I continue?

    a couple of those might be questionable, but you have completed your assignment well, grasshopper!!! now, please give me back my pebble....................image
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,345 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Unlike (the very few) truly rare classic dates, there are NO rare modern dates. This isn't about condition rarity, errors, die varieties, or any of that. No coin minted 1960 to date, by denomination and date, is a rarity. That includes proofs obviouslly, and excludes the errors.

    This doesn't put down collecting them nor say that there aren't condition rarities or rare errors and varieties.

    The aluminum cent is in a sort of limbo. It is not really a pattern but was never released as a business strike and likely illegal to own anyway. I think they were technically called experimental and thus disqualified as business strikes. >>



    How about the unique 1964 clad quarter? ...or the 40% 1977-D half dollars?

    There are many examples of rare moderns though none are regular issue. This applies to
    most of the classics as well; rare coins are usually not regular issue.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Unlike (the very few) truly rare classic dates, there are NO rare modern dates. This isn't about condition rarity, errors, die varieties, or any of that. No coin minted 1960 to date, by denomination and date, is a rarity. That includes proofs obviouslly, and excludes the errors. >>



    The 1964 Kennedy I posted is neither a die variety, an error, or a condition rarity. Yet, it is rare by any definition of the word.

    Russ, NCNE
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    dbldie55dbldie55 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Unlike (the very few) truly rare classic dates, there are NO rare modern dates. This isn't about condition rarity, errors, die varieties, or any of that. No coin minted 1960 to date, by denomination and date, is a rarity. That includes proofs obviouslly, and excludes the errors. >>



    The 1964 Kennedy I posted is neither a die variety, an error, or a condition rarity. Yet, it is rare by any definition of the word.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    So are the associated cents, nickels, dimes and quarters. There was a complete set at the Spring ANA a few years ago.
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Unlike (the very few) truly rare classic dates, there are NO rare modern dates. This isn't about condition rarity, errors, die varieties, or any of that. No coin minted 1960 to date, by denomination and date, is a rarity. That includes proofs obviouslly, and excludes the errors.

    This doesn't put down collecting them nor say that there aren't condition rarities or rare errors and varieties.

    The aluminum cent is in a sort of limbo. It is not really a pattern but was never released as a business strike and likely illegal to own anyway. I think they were technically called experimental and thus disqualified as business strikes. >>



    How about the unique 1964 clad quarter? ...or the 40% 1977-D half dollars?

    There are many examples of rare moderns though none are regular issue. This applies to
    most of the classics as well; rare coins are usually not regular issue. >>



    Aren't those actually errors? Yes, they are rare and so are others.

    The point is there aren't rare dates among the moderns as there are, though quite limited in number of examples, amonf classics of the 19th century. No modern-dated regular issue coin has the possibility of approaching a rarity due to their mintages and lack of significant attrition mechanisms.

    That said, I have brought it up before but isn't it funny how many Buffalo nickels were minted relative to the collector base in them? They aren't and haven't been melt targets. There is little expectation of continued circulation. Most people who set them aside in mason jars and cigar boxes probably don't have them laying around anymore. Anyone have any numbers on how many were removed from circulation and replaced by the Treasury? In any event, if they are largely still with us and mostly in worn grades, they would outnumber collector interest and probably suffice for commerce today and limit greatly the number of nickels needed to be minted.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,821 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All 1933 Saints were business strikes and all are rare. Of course, most are illegal to own but they are business strikes.

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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Unlike (the very few) truly rare classic dates, there are NO rare modern dates. This isn't about condition rarity, errors, die varieties, or any of that. No coin minted 1960 to date, by denomination and date, is a rarity. That includes proofs obviouslly, and excludes the errors. >>



    The 1964 Kennedy I posted is neither a die variety, an error, or a condition rarity. Yet, it is rare by any definition of the word.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    SMS are arguably business strikes. 1964 SMS are specimen strikes though and, though rare, are not regular business strikes and again do not represent a RARE DATE as opposed to some classics. This is not knocking them or asserting classic superiority, just a fact about date rarity.
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    sfs2002usasfs2002usa Posts: 953 ✭✭✭
    How about the 1982 "NO P" mintmark dime?
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1964 Kennedy I posted is neither a die variety, an error, or a condition rarity. Yet, it is rare by any definition of the word.

    this is true, but i think it's safe to say it isn't a business strike either, which by definition is a coin intended for normal circulation. the arguement can be made that the term business strike technically refers to a method of production, but you'll probably agree that these 1964 SMS issues are exactly what the initials stand for, special. i would think they'd be more fittingly defined as Specimens.
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    1841 quarter eagle.

    Before everyone gets all fired up, Mr. Winter believes this coin was struck as a business strike.
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    flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Business Strikes only that have been minted 1960 to present.

    I can't seem to think of one. >>

    Define "Business Strike" and define "truly rare".

    I think some of the forthcoming First Hag™ Tenners will qualify. Or are people already lining up for their Mrs Fillmores?
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,345 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    How about the unique 1964 clad quarter? ...or the 40% 1977-D half dollars?

    There are many examples of rare moderns though none are regular issue. This applies to
    most of the classics as well; rare coins are usually not regular issue. >>



    Aren't those actually errors? Yes, they are rare and so are others.

    The point is there aren't rare dates among the moderns as there are, though quite limited in number of examples, amonf classics of the 19th century. No modern-dated regular issue coin has the possibility of approaching a rarity due to their mintages and lack of significant attrition mechanisms.

    >>



    Many people consider them errors and it's hardly a stretch to think of them this way
    but to my mind they are much more "inadvertant types". They are type coins rather
    than varieties because they were struck by regular dies. They are very mush distin-
    guishable because they are different metallic composition. I don't consider then true
    errors since each is completely repeatable and entirely random.

    There are other moderns that fit this category like the silver 1965 dimes and quarters.
    There are also numerous mules and special issues. There have been some moderns
    with proof reverses. Whether these were made with retired proof dies or regular dies
    that were basined and polished is open to conjecture. There are numerous qurters
    which were struck by the previous year's reverse dies. These were probably made at
    the beginning of the year because the technician neglected to change both dies. Many
    1964 and 1965 quarters exist that were made by mis-matched dies. Most of these are
    either scarce or rare.

    While many purists scoff at the idea of "condition rarity" the fact remains that many of
    the modern varieties were overlooked and went into circulation. These can be so scarce
    after decades of use that they are almost impossible to locate and will be nearly always
    heavily worn. Incredibly there was so little attention paid to coins after 1964 that it's true
    that MOST modern varieties are condition rarities in grades above XF. And many can't be
    found even in lower grades because they have been destroyed or are still hiding among
    the billions of coins in circulation. The same thing can exist with the high mintage regular
    issues. The coins weren't always saved and even if they were the coins available are ter-
    rible. A coin like a nice attractive (MS-64) '71 10c is far tougher than most can imagine. Sure
    you can find one poking around in 1971 mint sets but that is only because so very few peo-
    ple are looking. If this coin had any real demand the supply would quickly evaporate. It's
    difficult to get a good idea of the number in collections but it can't be high since there are so
    few rolls and the mint sets haven't been picked over for this coin. There aren't many left in
    mint sets because well more than half of this date have been destroyed and only around 7
    or 8% are of this quality.

    Many dates have become extremely elusive even in low grade gem, not only because of low
    mintage, high attrition and corrosion but because people have started pulling these out.

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    CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,354 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>keets contribution-----considering that a Truely Rare coin of any kind is a coin with an existing population(known numbers) of less than 75 based the accepted measure of the Sheldon Scale which is probably the most commonly used, i'd challenge ziggy29 to list his truely rare classic business strike coins as soon as possible.

    Please........................ >>


    1802 half dime
    1822 half eagle
    1875 quarter eagle
    1854-S quarter eagle
    1878-S half dollar
    1853-O no arrows half dollar
    1873-CC no arrows dime
    1793 strawberry leaf cent
    1849-C open wreath gold dollar
    1876-CC twenty cent piece
    1815 half eagle

    Need I continue? >>

    Forgot the 1870S half dime.
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aren't those actually errors? Yes, they are rare and so are others.

    i would consider them "wrong planchet" errors, much the same as a Nickel on a Cent planchet and so on.
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    1972 Lincoln Double Die Obverse count?

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    CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    Cherios Sac. One can say that the mintage of 5,000 is too high to qualify as rare but the manner in which it was disbursed into commerce pretty much assures that a large portion have been lost to the collector market. Some will be found in desk draws from time to time but I doubt that more than small percentage will be recovered.


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    Ankur, Only if it is Double Die #4 they are much rare than the Die #1 examples. I've never seen one for sale but they do exist as mine is a PCGS MS-65 RED. image
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    I just came across this thread dating back to before I joined the forum.
    The OP did not rule out die varieties, although somebody tried to add that restriction later.
    The type B quarters I consider more than a simple die variety. They were normally reserved for the proof production for many years.
    The 1971 D and 1972 D type B's seem to be from one die each and I would call them rare, especially in the market place.


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    << I can't think of any truely rare classic business strike coins either... >>



    <<LOL you need to think harder. How about an 1875 Gold Dollar with a mintage of 400 ?>>



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    2009 nickel.....I have yet to find one in circulation
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    derrybderryb Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's two:
    1999 W $5 gold eagle struck with unpolished proof dies
    1999 w $10 gold eagle struck with unpolished proof dies

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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,524 ✭✭✭✭
    How about the 1970-D Washington DDO-001?

    Or how about the 1977-D DDO-001 and DDO-002 Kennedy Half?

    Or perhaps the 1972 DDO Kennedy Half?

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    wondercoinwondercoin Posts: 17,138 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I own a 1965 Silver Washington Quarter in PCGS-MS64. I hear there may be one other Unc. coin out there somewhere? Does this fit the bill? This coin is sort of like a 1944 steel cent - no?

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    1964 Peace Dollar?
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    Any thoughts on the Washington 1964-D reverse hub C. Seems to be very few of these around and with the price tag of $800.00 for a ms65 example I would think these to be a little on the rare side.
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