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1916/16 Buffalo nickel. Key to the series?

I think this is the key to the buffalo series. What do you think?
So many places doubled. Date, ribbons, feathers, etc.
I tried to take a better close-up of the date but don't think it's better than DL's obv. photo.

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some argue that doubled dies should or shouldn't be keys, but
    the Buff 16/16 is one powerhouse of a coin no matter how you categorize it.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭

    I've never considered the 1916 DDO to be a part of the series nor do I consider 18/7-D or the 3 legger to be. But each coin is still inviable.



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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the Buff 16/16 is one powerhouse of a coin no matter how you categorize it. image
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Overdates such as 18/7--YES. DDO and 3-leg---NO.

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    gyocomgdgyocomgd Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    I regard the prominent error coins as sideshows to the main event. To me they're a distraction, a sort of novelty act.
    The errors draw attention away from the facets of the series that to me are more interesting and challenging. The collector
    who pursues the 16/16 is often looking for a shortcut to stardom rather than immersing himself in the many fascinating aspects
    of the series. I've had several 3-leggers and gotten rid of them all, while better-grade examples of rather tough dates will stay
    with me for a long time. I really have no desire to own the novelty coins, unless I discovered one in a roll of circs or some similar way
    myself--that would be special.
    More power to those who are enamored with them, though. Everybody is different.
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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,079 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think collecting the varieties in a series should be optional, and they're only keys if you're assembling a collection that includes them...

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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    I agree with the "powerhouse", but I also dont think error coins should be labeled as keys.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Varieties/errors are (IMHO) always optional. Some collectors only assemble error collections... it is what peaks their interest. The completeness of a collection (as I have stated several times here in the past) is entirely up to the individual collector. It is not for me to determine the completeness of another collectors assemblage. Nor do I seek the opinion of others to validate my collection. Cheers, RickO
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    goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    Just sold mine recently to JJT.

    It was a fantastic VG8 and I searched a few Years to find it.

    the 16/16 is my favorite type of coin. The type that you can walk an entire bourse, such as Baltimore, and if you are fortunate you can see ONE.
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I ever do a type set, it's my first choice for the Buffalo slot. The 1918/7-D is second.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    guitarwesguitarwes Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭
    I'm with most everyone here on this one. While very desirable, the "error" or big "variety" coins in a series are kickers, but not to be considered as kicker key dates.

    Key dates can be defined several different ways I think. Mintage, Condition rarity, availability, ect.

    Take for instance the 21-S and the 26-S. you can buy a nice Fine 26-S for around $90. And on the other hand, the 21-S in the same grade would be around $250, even though the 26-S has the lowest mintage of 970, 000 compared to 1,557,000 of the 21-S.

    Switching things around up in the higher MS grades, a 21-S in MS64 would cost around $3500, while the
    26-S in the same grade would be $20000!!!


    What are some other thoughts on this?




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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,275 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A fantastic variety, but not a key to the series. You can have a complete set of Buffalo nickels without it.
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    buffnutbuffnut Posts: 935 ✭✭
    I wouldn't go as far as saying that it is needed for a set to be considered "complete", but it is definitely a major doubled die, and a major rarity. "Key" is an often over-used and subjective term that really has no universal meaning. The term is used to refer to rarity, value, and miscellaneous other attributes. If you associate the term "key" with a coin's importance to having a complete set, then aren't all coins in the series "keys"? If you add the caveat of the coin being rare or difficult to find, then it does narrow the field a little, but then again "rare" and "difficult to find" are subjective as well.

    I guess it would all depend on your take of what a key coin is. In my opinion the 16/16 would not be a key for a set of buffalo nickels, but it would for a collection of major doubled dies.
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    << <i>Some argue that doubled dies should or shouldn't be keys, but
    the Buff 16/16 is one powerhouse of a coin no matter how you categorize it. >>



    Thanks to all for your opinions. They're all valid and I could go either way.
    Here's a thought though. If you show your collection to a non-numistmatist, I'm sure he or she will
    be amazed with a coin like this or the DDO 1955 & '72 cents. Who knows. It may be just enough
    to whet his interest enough to make a collector out of him/her. Wouldn't that be great!
    JT
    It is health that is real wealth, not pieces of gold and silver. Gandhi.

    I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Great coin, the doubling is very strong. I'm just happy that I got to photo a PCGS MS64 version.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "It may be just enough to whet his interest enough to make a collector out of him/her. Wouldn't that be great! "

    JT, I appreciate your enthusiasm... however, as much as I enjoy the hobby and the friendships I have formed within it, I fail to see why it seems to so important to so many to afflict others with our interests. Many people have said it - not addressing you personally - and I cannot understand why it seems important to recruit more coin collectors. Did beanie baby collectors seek to entice others into the mania? I do not know. However, I feel collecting is a personal thing, and should be a choice an individual makes for themselves. I do not think the whole world should collect coins - if they did, I would look for another hobby. Cheers, RickO
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> If you show your collection to a non-numistmatist, I'm sure he or she will be amazed with a coin like this or the DDO 1955 & '72 cents. >>

    Without a doubt. Irregardless of rarety or value, such coins do instill some degree of amazement.

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    << <i>"It may be just enough to whet his interest enough to make a collector out of him/her. Wouldn't that be great! "

    JT, I appreciate your enthusiasm... however, as much as I enjoy the hobby and the friendships I have formed within it, I fail to see why it seems to so important to so many to afflict others with our interests. Many people have said it - not addressing you personally - and I cannot understand why it seems important to recruit more coin collectors. Did beanie baby collectors seek to entice others into the mania? I do not know. However, I feel collecting is a personal thing, and should be a choice an individual makes for themselves. I do not think the whole world should collect coins - if they did, I would look for another hobby. Cheers, RickO >>



    True, but I feel there are a limited number of people who are just waiting for some trigger to bring out
    their interest in one or more categories of collecting or hobbies.
    When I was 7 years old, I was watching my older brother working on his stamp collection.
    He casually remarked that I might try to find a penny for every year. It didn't take long for me to
    give it a try. A month or two later, I realized there were mint marks on some of them.
    When I found out what they represented, I started adding those. Within 6 months, I was on my way
    to a hobby I've enjoyed for 60 years. At that time, I was looked upon as something of an oddball
    because of my hobby. Many of the ones who kidded me about it later became coin collectors themselves.
    Just want to add, if new coin collectors don't show up, the hobby will disappear and that would spell
    the end to coin clubs, shows and boards like this.

    No, I wouldn't want everyone to take up the hobby. That would make it nearly impossible for existing
    collectors to achieve that ultimate goal of putting together a complete collection.

    I've pondered this string of events many times, asking myself the same question and never coming up
    with an answer. Would I have become a collector of anything if not for that one simple suggestion?
    JT.
    It is health that is real wealth, not pieces of gold and silver. Gandhi.

    I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,843 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i> If you show your collection to a non-numistmatist, I'm sure he or she will be amazed with a coin like this or the DDO 1955 & '72 cents. >>

    Without a doubt. Irregardless of rarety or value, such coins do instill some degree of amazement. >>



    Especially when you tell him how much it costs. image




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