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I bought a RED matte proof Lincoln!!!
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Everyone knows my affinity for toned copper, especially MPLs, but I just couldnt pass on the opportunity to acquire this beauty. A virtually flawless, original mint red gem.
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Congrats!
I know the coin and it is a stunner!
<< <i>An absolutely stunning example. I'll guess 64? Really nice MPL, Dave.
-Paul >>
Paul,
What do you see that would grade this coin as a 64?
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Is that a scratch below the R in LIBERTY? If so, PF64RD. If it's a strike-thru, PF66RD.
Seriously, I'd guess about 65 RD -- I think the marks below 'TY' in LIBERTY and in front of Lincoln's nose limit it to there.
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<< <i>Beautiful coin.
Is that a scratch below the R in LIBERTY? If so, PF64RD. If it's a strike-thru, PF66RD. >>
Looks like Dave's coin was struck with the same obverse die used to strike the 1909 VDB matte proof. Quote from Steve below.
diagnostics that appear on all legitimate 1909VDB Matte proof Lincoln cents also appear on SOME "1909 noVDB Matte proof Lincoln cents"
1. Die polish shows on front of and on top of Lincoln's nose on the obverse.
2. A die scratch from the back of Lincoln's coat into the field to below the right leg of the "R" of LIBERTY on the obverse.
3. A cresent shaped die chip to the right of "M" in UNUM on the reverse.
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etexmike
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<< <i>Given Brian's information on the coin, I now think the coin is a solid 66. What looked like a scratch under "RTY" and a few contact marks on the portrait turned me to 64, and I can see the 66 grade now. A stunning coin. >>
Yep. This would truly be an example of the pitfalls of grading a coin with an image. Presumably with the coin in hand you could see this was raised, not incuse, and this a flaw in the die.
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<< <i>This would truly be an example of the pitfalls of grading a coin with an image. Presumably with the coin in hand you could see this was raised, not incuse, and this a flaw in the die. >>
Ziggy - The only problem is this still looks like a scratch on the coin (or strike-thru). Look at how the lighting for the coin is coming from about 1:00. If the flaw in question was raised, there would be a thin shadow below the flaw. But since the shadow is above the flaw, it must be incused in the coin and thus either a scratch or strike-thru.
Cohodk - Can you give us a better description of what is going on in the area in question?
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<< <i>This would truly be an example of the pitfalls of grading a coin with an image. Presumably with the coin in hand you could see this was raised, not incuse, and this a flaw in the die. >>
Ziggy - The only problem is this still looks like a scratch on the coin (or strike-thru). Look at how the lighting for the coin is coming from about 1:00. If the flaw in question was raised, there would be a thin shadow below the flaw. But since the shadow is above the flaw, it must be incused in the coin and thus either a scratch or strike-thru.
Cohodk - Can you give us a better description of what is going on in the area in question? >>
The line running from Lincolns coat to under LIBERTY is a die polish line. It is a characteristic of the 1909. The mark in front of Lincolns nose is also in an area that that has several die polish lines. I have looked at this "mark" over and over and I believe it to be something to do with the planchet. It is almost invisible to the naked eye. Remember the photo is about the same as looking through a 10x loupe. The coin is spotless and has luster---which also is difficult to capture in a photo--that is simply amazing. I have seen many coins in 66 holders that do not compare to this coin.
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<< <i>The line running from Lincolns coat to under LIBERTY is a die polish line. It is a characteristic of the 1909. >>
Cohodk is correct. I looked up another 1909 proof and sure enough, there is the same "scratch". It must indeed be an anomoly on the die. Great coin!
Dave
Still, it is a beautiful piece - one I'd be proud to own.
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<< <i>The obverse looks cleaned to me.
Still, it is a beautiful piece - one I'd be proud to own. >>
It doesn't look cleaned to me at all...looks very tasty!
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