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I bought a RED matte proof Lincoln!!!

RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,250 ✭✭✭✭✭
Everyone knows my affinity for toned copper, especially MPLs, but I just couldnt pass on the opportunity to acquire this beauty. A virtually flawless, original mint red gem.

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    cwazzycwazzy Posts: 3,257 ✭
    Beautiful! What's she grade?

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    richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Now thats what I'm talking about !!! Beautiful coin. image
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    krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I am drooling. Where do you find all those MPLs?

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    curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭
    As a fairly new collector of MPLs ( 1yr ), I really like your coin and I really, really, really admire your picture taking ability.
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭
    An absolutely stunning example. I'll guess 64? (edited to add: I know very little about grading these) Really nice MPL, Dave.

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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭
    very nice
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    mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
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    BWRCBWRC Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭

    Congrats!

    I know the coin and it is a stunner!
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    RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,250 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>An absolutely stunning example. I'll guess 64? Really nice MPL, Dave.

    -Paul >>



    Paul,

    What do you see that would grade this coin as a 64?
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,298 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coin!
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    Nice
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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great looking Lincoln. Looks like it should be a 66 for sure.

    JJ
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,844 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a 66RD. Nice coin. image

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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    Beautiful coin.

    Is that a scratch below the R in LIBERTY? If so, PF64RD. If it's a strike-thru, PF66RD.

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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for entering me in your most generous giveaway!

    Seriously, I'd guess about 65 RD -- I think the marks below 'TY' in LIBERTY and in front of Lincoln's nose limit it to there.
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    66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭
    Cohodk, did you get that in Baltimore? I saw one or two RD 1909 MPL's thereimage
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,290 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A great choice.

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    BWRCBWRC Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Beautiful coin.

    Is that a scratch below the R in LIBERTY? If so, PF64RD. If it's a strike-thru, PF66RD. >>



    Looks like Dave's coin was struck with the same obverse die used to strike the 1909 VDB matte proof. Quote from Steve below.


    diagnostics that appear on all legitimate 1909VDB Matte proof Lincoln cents also appear on SOME "1909 noVDB Matte proof Lincoln cents"

    1. Die polish shows on front of and on top of Lincoln's nose on the obverse.

    2. A die scratch from the back of Lincoln's coat into the field to below the right leg of the "R" of LIBERTY on the obverse.

    3. A cresent shaped die chip to the right of "M" in UNUM on the reverse.

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    a stunning coin. nice pickup
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    etexmikeetexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
    Love them old coppers. You do seem to have a way of finding those beautiful Lincolns.

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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭
    Given Brian's information on the coin, I now think the coin is a solid 66. What looked like a scratch under "RTY" and a few contact marks on the portrait turned me to 64, and I can see the 66 grade now. A stunning coin.

    -Paul
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    The best!!
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Given Brian's information on the coin, I now think the coin is a solid 66. What looked like a scratch under "RTY" and a few contact marks on the portrait turned me to 64, and I can see the 66 grade now. A stunning coin. >>

    Yep. This would truly be an example of the pitfalls of grading a coin with an image. Presumably with the coin in hand you could see this was raised, not incuse, and this a flaw in the die.
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    Very pretty coin!!image
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>This would truly be an example of the pitfalls of grading a coin with an image. Presumably with the coin in hand you could see this was raised, not incuse, and this a flaw in the die. >>


    Ziggy - The only problem is this still looks like a scratch on the coin (or strike-thru). Look at how the lighting for the coin is coming from about 1:00. If the flaw in question was raised, there would be a thin shadow below the flaw. But since the shadow is above the flaw, it must be incused in the coin and thus either a scratch or strike-thru.

    Cohodk - Can you give us a better description of what is going on in the area in question?

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    RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,250 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>This would truly be an example of the pitfalls of grading a coin with an image. Presumably with the coin in hand you could see this was raised, not incuse, and this a flaw in the die. >>


    Ziggy - The only problem is this still looks like a scratch on the coin (or strike-thru). Look at how the lighting for the coin is coming from about 1:00. If the flaw in question was raised, there would be a thin shadow below the flaw. But since the shadow is above the flaw, it must be incused in the coin and thus either a scratch or strike-thru.

    Cohodk - Can you give us a better description of what is going on in the area in question? >>



    The line running from Lincolns coat to under LIBERTY is a die polish line. It is a characteristic of the 1909. The mark in front of Lincolns nose is also in an area that that has several die polish lines. I have looked at this "mark" over and over and I believe it to be something to do with the planchet. It is almost invisible to the naked eye. Remember the photo is about the same as looking through a 10x loupe. The coin is spotless and has luster---which also is difficult to capture in a photo--that is simply amazing. I have seen many coins in 66 holders that do not compare to this coin.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Looks like a 66RD to me.

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    Wow!

    Superb!
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    Fantastic, WTG!
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    RonyahskiRonyahski Posts: 3,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have seen and studied this coin. I'll second what Cohodk has said about this coin. It is truly amazing. It is dripping with original luster and has exquisite toning. No way anything has ever touched this coin The mark in front of Lincoln is mint made.
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Congrats on the nice pickup! image
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭




    << <i>The line running from Lincolns coat to under LIBERTY is a die polish line. It is a characteristic of the 1909. >>

    Cohodk is correct. I looked up another 1909 proof and sure enough, there is the same "scratch". It must indeed be an anomoly on the die. Great coin!


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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice looking proof! GREAT surfaces. You’ve ‘got a tiger by the tail’ on this one.

    Dave
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    dcarrdcarr Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The obverse looks cleaned to me.
    Still, it is a beautiful piece - one I'd be proud to own.
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    WaterSportWaterSport Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh yeah, you got a good one!

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    MesquiteMesquite Posts: 4,075 ✭✭✭
    A superb choice!
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Outstanding color. You don't see many nice, original coins anymore.
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The obverse looks cleaned to me.
    Still, it is a beautiful piece - one I'd be proud to own. >>



    It doesn't look cleaned to me at all...looks very tasty! image

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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The tale of this true beauty is a long and winding one as we both know, but it certainly landed in good hands Dave. image

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    chiefbobchiefbob Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
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    OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561 ✭
    Someday I'll own one of those...someday!

    Great MPL Daveimage! Congratulations on a fine purchase!
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    cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,079 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's one hot (rod) Lincoln!
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    LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
    "Fantastic!! Congrat's on this one Daveimage

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