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Little Old Lady Estate Sale! -- not hypothetical

I know what little esteem this forum has for estate sales. We all have seen the over hyped eBay listings that are supposed to make us feel sorry for the widow. Most of them are so obviously frauds it really turns us off. For example we see a coin we sold on eBay show up in the "untouched for many years" estate.

Well I am in the process of purchasing a collection from a nice woman. Her son had a coin collection and he passed away. It is a small family and the mother wants to sell the collection. It is my responsibility to get her as much money as possible for this collection.

So the question is will telling the story in the eBay listings help the auctions? Will everybody think I'm just another rip off? I mean even I have a warning about estate sales on my eBay tips page on my website.

I ask because I know the story is true and I really do want to get the widow as much money as possible. If the story helps sales I need to consider telling it. I sincerely want to help her, but since I earn a percentage of sales I also want to realize as much as possible so my take home is as much as possible.

What say the forum?
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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You telling some heartfelt story on an auction block will never increase bids, just raise suspicion when none is merited. Besides, people could care less. Let the coins speak for themselves and Im sure that this woman will get the $$ that's coming to her.

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,946 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Leave the story out. That's my opinion. Just describe honestly and let your
    photo's do the talking. Good luck,
    bob
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  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,096 ✭✭✭
    I agree, no backstory. It would make you sound like you're inexperienced and don't know what you're doing. I think everyone here knows thats not the case.

    -Paul
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    i like no blah-blah-blah listings if you ask me.
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • Whenever I see an ebay listing saying estate sale...no matter what the story...I move on. The best way to get the best money for any coins on ebay IMO...is the simple way. Good pictures and an honest description backed by good feedback. No frills...no story...

    BTW...my sympathies to the family of the deceased...
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  • I agree. My guess is most people see Estate sale, My Dad's collection etc. on Ebay and the skeptic button goes off in their brain. I would just let it go off as a regular auction.
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  • 123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Leave the story out. That's my opinion. Just describe honestly and let your
    photo's do the talking. Good luck,
    bob >>



    I agree. Just mentioning a estate sale with turn people off.image
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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In general, my opinion of an "estate sale" is that the coins are overpriced garbage. Anyway, does the story change the coins? No? Then don't add the text.
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  • lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭
    you could if so desired create an about me page and make reference to the about me if anyone is interested in these coins i offer backgrounds
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


  • AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭
    If you have good feedback, that will speak for itself in my opinion. If the coins are key dates, maybe get them slabbed?

    Ankur
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pass on the story. Now, let's get down to business...did he collect pre-Civil War $5's? image
  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,309 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Leave the story out. That's my opinion. Just describe honestly and let your
    photo's do the talking. Good luck,
    bob >>




    I agree. Start at 1 cent and leave out the rest.
  • To me, estate sale usually means;

    overpriced
    cleaned or other problems
    and a no return policy

    Let the coins speak for themselves......forget the story.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    skip the estate bs, no need.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • a sob story won't get you a dime more.
    "Everyday above ground is a good day"

  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    I always pass on by the "Estate Sale" listings. Have you thought about listing them on the B/S/T? If nice coins you should do well there also. It would take a little more work on your part to come up with pricing, but save the PayPal/eBay fees. Just a thought.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    do your best to provide accurate descriptions, nice return policy, good photos and minimum hassle and you will do what you intend to do. Save the stories, they don't work and may be counterproductive.
  • mozeppamozeppa Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭
    the coins will sell on their merit alone.... provided you have good pix.

    and they'll sell at what the market dictates no more or less.

    keep it short, simple and to the point.

    hype is hot air.
  • REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Describe the material accurately and take good (I mean good but doesnt have to be professional) pictures and you're done! Boring Estate stories are real turn off to those who would likely be your best customers.

    -RG

  • That is a lot of replies. They came quickly. They are unanimous.

    I feel the same way, that is why I warn about estate sales on my website. However I was thinking that sellers keep doing it so it must help bids in some cases. What do bidders think when they bid on estate sales? Do they think they are ripping off an old lady? Do they think they are helping a family in their time of need? Do they think they are getting to bid on a coin from a seller who doesn't know what he has?

    More about the coins later. I'll make a decision as to what coins to send to PCGS and suspect it will be the largest single order I've placed. There are no pre Civil War $5 gold coins (sorry RYK!).
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    The story would not make me bid higher. I pay for the coin, not the story. Don't include it.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If they are fresh, put away years back, etc. it does help to mention those facts in a believable tone. I don't know how many run-away prices I see on ebay for coins labeled PQ in old holders, coins that look PQ via the photos, etc. Some puffery seems to draw in the less knowledgeable. Too much hype turns away the experienced collectors. Something inbetween maximizes the prices.

    roadrunner
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  • BRdudeBRdude Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭
    I have to agree with everybody else. "Estate Sale" won't bring any more money than they are worth. Good luck with itimage
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  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 13,120 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pile on.

    I agree with the consensus and for sure, if I would have come across any type of estate line in your auctions, I would have passed and missed out on a great ebayer.image

    "Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso

  • I say sell it as a collection without attributition. Better yet, sell the coins singly or in small groups (never tried
    that so might not be best). I've built a really nice Lincoln set buying collections for 1/3 of what the
    individual coins might bring and picking out the best ones to keep and selling the rest. Still have a long way
    to go on that end. I consider them an investment.
    This is my opinion. Now I'll read what the others said.
    JT
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    I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
  • My God! I didn't think everyone would agree with me.
    JT
    It is health that is real wealth, not pieces of gold and silver. Gandhi.

    I collect all 20th century series except gold including those series that ended there.
  • NumismanicNumismanic Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭
    Good photos and accurate descriptions are all that is necessary, oh and two or more bidders that want the coin. image
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 1,039 ✭✭
    If you want to say 'something', you could just say something such as:

    Liquidating Collection on Consignment - or something similar.

  • thisnamztakenthisnamztaken Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image ...and all the other posters on this thread - just the facts, a fair starting price and shipping charge, and a nice clear photo or two. Few, if any, bidders have the time or interest to read a seller's personal problems or family history.
    I never thought that growing old would happen so fast.
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even if true, the story carries a stigma and will cost you bids. Let the coins sell themselves.
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    just send the quality bust half dimes from the estate to me image
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Another vote for "Don't do it."

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • Leave it out. Buyers don't care about where the coin came from just what price and how fast they can get it.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    No. "Estate sale" stories turn me off big time. They stink of scam -- or at least lies -- even when they aren't. A good feedback history and good images will sell the coins a lot more than "estate sale" stories will.

    For what it's worth, I'm more likely to *avoid* bidding where claims of an estate sale are being made.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    They don't turn me off, in fact a couple of local dealers that I have known for years get most of their inventory from these types of sales. I always stop by and chat with them at the shows and usually pick up a piece from them. I enjoy the story. I think if you are honest in your presentation of what your are doing, that is how you acquired them it could be a plus. Its the over hype that turns me off. The coin is what it is, regardless of where its been. Try a couple and see what happens.
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Carl, with your reputation for quality material and honest, straightforward deals, I think adding a story would demean your business. I have always been satisfied doing business with you.. and I know many others here have as well. Leave it out. Cheers, RickO
  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just take decent pics of the coins and they will sell themselves!!!
  • Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭
    Oh heck, if it's a good eBay estate story that brings tears to my eyes, I'll pop them a small opening bid. For all those skipping on the estate stuff, of course most are scams, but a few are not, and I've have made for great deals that are now in my Registry Set.
  • garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭
    You already told the story here so why dont you list them on the BST's for for sending them swimming in the Bay!
  • numismanumisma Posts: 3,877 ✭✭✭✭

    I have a similar situation at this time. I am selling a large estate on eBay and part of the agreement is that the collector be memorialized in the process. The alternative would be to throw his many items on eBay with the other schlop and treat it with little or no dignity. The result of my auctions have been fantastic, often realizing more than the items would have in any other venue. For items that I am selling that are not part of the estate, I have a simple description and a nice image. To keep the estate listings short, I use a link for those who want to read the whole story.

    Here's an example of how I treat the "estate story"

    Conclusion: go ahead and mention the estate story in a tactful manner. It is true, so where's the harm?
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nicely crafted Numisma... and far superior to the usual 'estate' sale blarney encountered on ebay. Cheers, RickO
  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Numisma, I don't think you could have done much better for your friend Ollie, or for his family. Very nice touch. Interesting stuff, too.

    Carl, if your descriptions are good and the photos reflect the coins fairly, the rest will fall into place. If you provide history and/or data on the coins themselves, a bit of history on the previous owner wouldn't be inappropriate either. Be direct and accurate - you will do fine, I am sure.
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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,710 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Skip the story. All the buyers want is factual info...unless they are buying Washington dollars with "upside down" lettering.
    All glory is fleeting.
  • mrpotatoheaddmrpotatoheadd Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭
    Since "estate sales" on eBay tend to be mostly a joke, my first thought was that you should just skip the story. After checking out Numisma's linked eBay listing, I think I'm going to change my mind (possibly). I've got to say that I'm really impressed with the presentation- it's quite a dignified memorial.

    If the estate you're selling is anything like that (better quality material, not a bunch of circulated Indian cents and Liberty nickels), I'd say if you feel strongly enough about it, to go ahead and do it. I'm not sure it would generate higher bidding, but as long as it doesn't look like the typical eBay "Selling Grandpa's estate- I don't know anything about coins- judge the grading for yourself from my crappy pictures" listings, it shouldn't hurt you.
  • jcpjcp Posts: 62 ✭✭
    No story but I think if you want to get the best possible prices you should offer a return priv. This will reassure people that they are not taking a "shot" bidding on the item
  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    Coin collectors by nature of the hobby are excellent detectives, suspicious
    and driven by a touch of paranoia. Terms like "estate sale'. "widows sale",
    "coin in the family for 100 years" and "newly discovered hoard" are veiwed
    with contempt.
    Example -- the Omaha Bank Hoard -- "from original rolls", "stored in bank vault
    since the 1930s", puchased from owner on promise of annonimity.

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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,004 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would leave out the story.
  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    Hey Carl!

    I was gonna say that your name alone should suffice. Ive known you for some years and would purchase just about anything from you sight unseen. But then I rememberd that others do not know you as well. Having said that, I think putting estate sale info in ebay listings would cheapen it to say the least in my eyes. The people who constantly do so have forever wrecked that option IMHO.


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  • pb2ypb2y Posts: 1,461
    Just added Carl to favorite sellers list
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  • OmegaOmega Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭
    Leave out the story.

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