update 1916 D dime in hand, opinions please

SUMORADA · February 28, 2007 1:24AM

this is the 1916 d from the ebay confusion thread, arrived today, need some opinions please, grade? problems, whatever, thanks

UncleJoe · February 28, 2007 1:27AM

The D center should be in the shape of a triangle. This D does not look right to me.

Joe.

AUandAG · February 28, 2007 1:28AM

OH MY, that's one nice dime! Problems? I'm not a merc expert but the only
problem I see is that I DON'T OWN IT! SWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeT dime.
bob

elwood · February 28, 2007 1:29AM

Looks like it's fake to me??

rlawsha · February 28, 2007 1:31AM

<< Looks like it's fake to me?? >>

Since he just spent $4k on it I bet he would like a little more information

RareBronzeCollector · February 28, 2007 1:38AM

Looks nice, but iffy....

Do the NGC walkthrough, with ALL of us wishing you luck, and let us know the results......

Barndog · February 28, 2007 1:39AM

<< Looks nice, but iffy....

Do the NGC walkthrough, with ALL of us wishing you luck, and let us know the results...... >>

I hope you get good news.

kranky · February 28, 2007 1:41AM

Best of luck but the mintmark does not look right to me.

ziggy29 · February 28, 2007 1:42AM

Closeup of the mintmark:

I thought the inside of the 'D' should be more triangular in shape, so I don't think it's good (assuming my understanding is correct).

DennisH · February 28, 2007 1:46AM

mint mark looks all wrong

commoncents05 · February 28, 2007 1:48AM

the punch used for the "D" is the same as the one used for the 1914-D Cent. Maybe someone has a close up of either coin to compare to.

-Paul

al410 · February 28, 2007 1:54AM

Her is a good picture of one in a PCGS slab
ebay auction # 260090152226
AL

Oldnewbie · February 28, 2007 1:58AM

<< Her is a good picture of one in a PCGS slab
ebay auction # 260090152226
AL >>

From the above auction....

Rollerman · February 28, 2007 1:58AM

From the written description in the PCGS Grading and Counterfeit detection guide, the MM seems a little fishy. Yet, when you look at their illustration, it looks a lot like yours? I wish my 16-D was home right now, I'd compare them.
A couple of dabs with a Q-tip soaked in acetone might loosen it up and off if it's a phony MM, but were it I, I'd have it slabbed/authenticated.
I do wish you every luck, it's a sweet coin if it is in fact legit. Something tells me when you get a coin for around half it's value, something might be amiss.
Best wishes,
Pete

Texast · February 28, 2007 2:00AM

From what I see the trouble with the mint mark is that the color is darker than the rest of the coin, it lacks the luster the rest of the coin has.

123cents · February 28, 2007 2:01AM

To me that is a lot of money to spend on a coin that is highly counterfeited. I just hope your coin turns out to be the real deal.

Connecticoin · February 28, 2007 2:07AM

Mintmark looks fake.

Here's a real one cut from a Heritage Pic:

I hope the OP has a return priviledge on the coin.

Outhaul · February 28, 2007 2:11AM

MM looks all wrong to me.

kwmorgan · February 28, 2007 2:11AM

IMHO, I won't even consider the Morgan dollar key dates of 1893-S or 1894 unless they're in PCGS or NGC plastic. Counterfeiting is getting that bad now. I'm sure 1916-D has the same problem. I hope this works out for the best for you.

19Lyds · February 28, 2007 2:31AM

Check out this link on the PCGS Site.

I would strongly advise you to get that coin authenticated immediately!

SUMORADA · February 28, 2007 2:38AM

here is another closeup of the mm

291fifth · February 28, 2007 2:39AM

The interior of the "D" seems to lack the triangular shape of the real mintmark.

Fairlaneman · February 28, 2007 2:45AM

<< here is another closeup of the mm >>

This picture seals the deal for me. Its wrong. Sorry. Return policy ?

Ken

TwoSides2aCoin · February 28, 2007 2:46AM

<< Closeup of the mintmark:

I thought the inside of the 'D' should be more triangular in shape, so I don't think it's good (assuming my understanding is correct). >>

How many mint state examples exist with this rare piece ? Anyone have a clue ?

hughesm1 · February 28, 2007 2:46AM

Soak it in acetone for a few hours

CoinRaritiesOnline · February 28, 2007 2:54AM

That coin is highly suspect IMHO. I would overnight it for a PCGS or NGC walkthrough ASAP.

percyb · February 28, 2007 3:01AM

Looks better than my 16D.

Connecticoin · February 28, 2007 3:04AM

<< here is another closeup of the mm >>

The top serif of the "D" does not look like it does on a genuine 16-D.

ILikeMercs · February 28, 2007 3:45AM

I'm certainly no "expert" but here's my 16-D. I think it looks legit....JMO.

Geoman · February 28, 2007 3:48AM

Does the reverse have any degree of rotation?

SUMORADA · February 28, 2007 3:58AM

i just got back from showing it to a close friend who is very knowledgable about these and it is fake, it was done by putting together 2 different coins, so the mm was correct,once he showed me it was obvious,i'll get some good pics and post them before i return it,he also said whoever did it is good at it,thank you all for your opinions i really appreciate it,great forum great people!

kranky · February 28, 2007 4:05AM

<< i just got back from showing it to a close friend who is very knowledgable about these and it is fake, it was done by putting together 2 different coins, so the mm was correct,once he showed me it was obvious,i'll get some good pics and post them before i return it,he also said whoever did it is good at it,thank you all for your opinions i really appreciate it,great forum great people! >>

The mintmark might have been authentic because it came from another Mercury dime, but it was not the correct style of mintmark for a 1916-D.

dunerlaw · February 28, 2007 4:05AM

It looks kinda like Die 4 mintmark to me.
location relative to leaf is right.
Its a super job if counterfiet.
Good luck on getting money back.

Wolf359 · February 28, 2007 4:14AM

<< i just got back from showing it to a close friend who is very knowledgable about these and it is fake, it was done by putting together 2 different coins, so the mm was correct,once he showed me it was obvious,i'll get some good pics and post them before i return it,he also said whoever did it is good at it,thank you all for your opinions i really appreciate it,great forum great people! >>

What a shame. Hope you get a full refund immediately.

Doogy · February 28, 2007 4:27AM

yeah, good luck getting your money back on it.

Wolf359 · February 28, 2007 4:29AM

<< yeah, good luck getting your money back on it. >>

It IS possible, he's just got to play hard ball with the seller, assuming of course the seller refuses to cooperate.

Outhaul · February 28, 2007 4:34AM

I can't find your original thread, but I thought the deal was that it had to be authenticated by a TPG service? I hope escrow was involved. Good luck getting your money back.

Cheers,

Bob

SUMORADA · February 28, 2007 4:43AM

here's a pic i took with my scope, it show's the line on the edge where the 2 coins are joined, as for getting my $ back i don't think i'll have a problem, i won't say who this guy is unless he tries to screw me but he is a high profile person, i'll post what happens.

marxbuff · February 28, 2007 5:00AM

<< I can't find your original thread, but I thought the deal was that it had to be authenticated by a TPG service? I hope escrow was involved. Good luck getting your money back.

Cheers,

Bob >>

Heres the original thread: Link

Best of luck on getting your funds refunded.

Fairlaneman · February 28, 2007 5:02AM

If that is two coins put together the reverse is for sure a reverse that was taken from a coin minted before 1926 and probably even earlier than that. My guess is that the reverse is either a 17D or 20D. The reverses of 18D and 19D are not typically struck like your reverse.

Sorry for the bad news about the coin being the real deal. Also I think the D is not the correct one for a 16D.

Ken

123cents · February 28, 2007 5:10AM

Seller doesn't have a return policy. Sold has is. Oh my!

kranky · February 28, 2007 5:12AM

<< Seller doesn't have a return policy. Sold has is. Oh my!

>>

I believe that prior to purchase, the OP negotiated a return if the coin didn't slab.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · February 28, 2007 5:30AM

does not look legit

RareBronzeCollector · February 28, 2007 5:31AM

<< I believe that prior to purchase, the OP negotiated a return if the coin didn't slab. >>

That was my understanding of the terms of the transaction.....

123cents · February 28, 2007 5:47AM

<< 

<< I believe that prior to purchase, the OP negotiated a return if the coin didn't slab. >>

That was my understanding of the terms of the transaction..... >>

Now that sounds better. I am glad he negotiated that kind of a deal.

RareBronzeCollector · February 28, 2007 5:55AM

<< 

<< 

<< I believe that prior to purchase, the OP negotiated a return if the coin didn't slab. >>

That was my understanding of the terms of the transaction..... >>

Now that sounds better. I am glad he negotiated that kind of a deal.

>>

Now to just hope that the seller lives up to his end of the deal.....

relicsncoins · February 28, 2007 7:41AM

Even if he does not have a return policy, if you paid through Paypal you should have protection under the clause item recieved not as advertised.

I would deffinately return it registered mail signature required.

JJ

Mercury10c · February 28, 2007 11:21AM

And the lesson we all learned (hopefully) was what?

NEVER BUY KEY DATE, HIGH PRICED, RAW COINS ON EBAY!!

Of course, if you guys all stopped doing that, we wouldn't have as much to talk about here.

RareBronzeCollector · February 28, 2007 11:39AM

<< And the lesson we all learned (hopefully) was what?

NEVER BUY KEY DATE, HIGH PRICED, RAW COINS ON EBAY!!

Of course, if you guys all stopped doing that, we wouldn't have as much to talk about here. >>

Doesn't mean a thing..... I just recently purchased and returned a PCGS mis-attributed DarkSide coin....... They had a $300 coin attributed as a $3000 coin....... a HUGE difference for someone who could not tell the difference.......

TPGers are NOT PERFECT.... you still have to know your coins......

RichieURich · February 28, 2007 11:42AM

<< 

<< And the lesson we all learned (hopefully) was what?

NEVER BUY KEY DATE, HIGH PRICED, RAW COINS ON EBAY!!

Of course, if you guys all stopped doing that, we wouldn't have as much to talk about here. >>

Doesn't mean a thing..... I just recently purchased and returned a PCGS mis-attributed DarkSide coin....... They had a $300 coin attributed as a $3000 coin....... a HUGE difference for someone who could not tell the difference.......

TPGers are NOT PERFECT.... you still have to know your coins...... >>

It (PCGS slabbing) does mean a thing, I'm pretty certain PCGS wouldn't slab a 1916-D dime that was made from two dimes planed and glued together.

BuffaloIronTail · February 28, 2007 1:51PM

The old "cup and saucer" trick.

My My

..........and a very good job at that!

Pete

update 1916 D dime in hand, opinions please

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