A couple of examples of the direction in which the market for early date Kennedys has gone.

Russ · January 28, 2007 6:09AM

You modern bashers who think it's stupid to pay strong money for modern coins might want to ignore this.

1968-D PCGS MS66 Kennedy - $99.

A couple years ago those were bringing $35 to $40.

1969-D PCGS MS66 Kennedy - $625.

A couple years ago that was a $200 to $250 coin. In fact, when I sold one for $316 I was in hog heaven.

We've seen the same kind of value appreciation in most of the other early dates. The 1964 in PR69DCAM has doubled, any Accented Hair in DCAM has more than doubled, and the SMS coins in high grade DCAM are at moon money.

Russ, NCNE

RYK · January 28, 2007 6:12AM

Thanks for the market update.

Unfortunately, I buy coins to lose money, so this analysis won't help me very much.

LindeDad · January 28, 2007 6:17AM

I knew that.

And just a side note there is a new leader in the Kennedy registery in the The Ogden Collection

And with a little checking people will find that allmost all of the pre 1976 Kennedys in the higher grades have doubled in the last few years.

sinin1 · January 28, 2007 7:55AM

are early Kennedy's classics?

I think I remember long ago when Legend was selling on eBay (before starting their own auction site)

they had some classic Kennedy's in ICG slabs

DHeath · January 28, 2007 8:56AM

The hardcore modern guys have figured out the 1969 stuff. The proofs are easy, even though they're unique in many ways. The MS coins suck that year. They're tougher than the others by a wide margin. I was watching the half, and was a buyer up to $250. I'll have to keep looking.

Russ · January 28, 2007 9:02AM

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the one I sold for $316 a couple years ago was cracked out of an NGC holder I picked off on Teletrade for $38. Man, I love this hobby!

Russ, NCNE

Tonelover · January 28, 2007 9:06AM

I sold this 69-D with color for a client a few weeks ago for a bit more than TNFC's white one. I was quite surprised and my consignor was quite pleased. Sorry there's no picture any more.

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Russ · January 28, 2007 9:10AM

Thanks, Tonelover. I missed that one and didn't have it in my database.

Russ, NCNE

DHeath · January 28, 2007 9:14AM

The coin you picked off was in an NGC 5 holder wasn't it?

ragtag · January 28, 2007 9:16AM

I can say I am baffled as to how this 1969D grades MS66. Scratches, nicks, don't count I guess.
Look at the bottom of the neck and all the chunks taken out of it. Comments?

DHeath · January 28, 2007 9:23AM

Those "scratches" are die polish lines, and the angle of the pic makes the neck look particularly bad, when in fact it is likely minimal. The die polish is what put me off the coin, but it likely has a glowing look in hand.

quattrocoins · January 28, 2007 9:26AM

<< I can say I am baffled as to how this 1969D grades MS66. Scratches, nicks, don't count I guess. >>

Same way that the '68-D did. Check out the gash in his head!

LindeDad · January 28, 2007 9:29AM

Like was mentioned if that marked up one is a MS66, this one will become a 67 someday. It would be a very nice day.

DHeath · January 28, 2007 9:41AM

Very nice.

elwood · January 28, 2007 9:49AM

<< 1969-D PCGS MS66 Kennedy - $625. >>

Russ...what's the POP on that coin and the over? (my pop reports at least a year old)

Are you in anyway responsible for this market trend?

Russ · January 28, 2007 9:55AM

<< << 1969-D PCGS MS66 Kennedy - $625. >>

Russ...what's the POP on that coin and the over? (my pop reports at least a year old) >>

Pop is 76, with three in MS67. It's the lowest pop of the 68 to 70 coins.

<< Are you in anyway responsible for this market trend? >>

Nope. It's Don's fault.

Russ, NCNE

ragtag · January 28, 2007 9:56AM

Yes I know what the scratches are. Thanks for the replies. But doesn't this type of impefection, plus the others so obvious, knock it down more than 4 grades (from MS70)? The hair looks good and sure there's no wear. But this coin {the 69} has been knocked around a bit.

Russ · January 28, 2007 10:00AM

<< Yes I know what the scratches are. Thanks for the replies. But doesn't this type of impefection, plus the others so obvious, knock it down more than 4 grades (from MS70)? >>

Die polish lines normally do not impact grade. In particular they don't with coins of this era because they are very common.

A big part of the grade for these at PCGS is luster. They love the booming variety, and if a coin has it they will be a bit more forgiving of bagmarking.

Russ, NCNE

DHeath · January 28, 2007 10:07AM

Nope. It's Don's fault.

Actually, I've always hoped to cure the shortage.

Ragtag, even though it doesn't affect the TPG grade, it does impact some buyers, and I'd prefer a coin from a fresher die pair. JMO

Russ · January 28, 2007 10:10AM

Of course, now that I think about it, the 1964 to 1970 Short Set in the registry was my idea.

Russ, NCNE

basestealer · January 28, 2007 10:13AM

This seller is too embarassed to reveal who graded her coin...
Who certified me?

LindeDad · January 28, 2007 10:25AM

But she sure will Key word spam the auction.

Gemineye · January 28, 2007 10:33AM

Yes, I have noticed it is hard to find some decent Kennedys' in those grades of the early years.Once in a while one will pop up and I keep looking too..!!

66Tbird · January 28, 2007 10:35AM

Glad I hung on to a few AH's. The one of mine I enjoy the most is a 65SMS in a lustery 8 that I don't see for sale to often, when I do it brings good money also.

basestealer · January 28, 2007 10:46AM

Is this proof set an accented hairline? I was outbid... it went really high.
Why so high?

Russ · January 28, 2007 10:48AM

<< Is this proof set an accented hairline? I was outbid... it went really high.
Why so high? >>

Yes, it is. It went so high because the winning bidder will pay whatever it takes. When I see him in an auction, I don't even bother.

Russ, NCNE

basestealer · January 28, 2007 10:50AM

LOL, I couldn't raise my proxy in time. He got a good deal.

Russ · January 28, 2007 10:57AM

<< He got a good deal. >>

No, he didn't.

Russ, NCNE

bidask · January 28, 2007 11:00AM

Are original rolls of proof 64 kennedys still around? I bought a roll...must be at least 20 years ago. I looked at the individual coins recently...some look cameo.

Russ · January 28, 2007 11:06AM

<< Are original rolls of proof 64 kennedys still around? >>

There is no such thing as an original roll of proof 1964 Kennedys.

Russ, NCNE

basestealer · January 28, 2007 11:12AM

<< Are original rolls of proof 64 kennedys still around? I bought a roll...must be at least 20 years ago. I looked at the individual coins recently...some look cameo. >>

They are put together from unopened proof sets. Most have probably been cherrypicked, since I think that's the only reason why someone would open a bunch of proof sets to make rolls (to find varieties and sell the rest). I wanted the '64 proof set to add to my proof set collection, and by coincidence this thread popped up here mentioning the accented hair. When I looked at the set in my watch list, sure enough it was an AH variety. Not sure what it's worth but now I need a proof set with an AH kennedy to complete my collection too.

cladking · January 28, 2007 11:26AM

The PCGS price guide has been listing a lot of price increases for lower grade
Kennedies starting in the mid'80's. This has been happening in some of the
other denominations as well. (most notably cents) Some of these are in grades
as low as MS-62.

Some dates run pretty bad across denominations even in the mint sets. The
'81-P is one of these which tends to have unattractive surfaces and the host
of other problems which are more typical.

Very few gems have been made over the years and very few of these were
saved. Lower grade coins weren't as widely saved. It would hardly be sur-
prising to see some of these increases expand all the way to MS-60 for a few
coins. Collectors do demand attractive coins and many of the MS-60 moderns
are not attractive.

Russ · January 28, 2007 11:32AM

<< Not sure what it's worth but now I need a proof set with an AH kennedy to complete my collection too. >>

You should be able to pick up an Accented Hair set for $20 to $25 assuming, of course, that it doesn't have a cameo example in it.

Here's one with an opening bid of $7.99.

Verify the image, though, and ask for a reverse image. These are plagued by milk spotting.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · January 28, 2007 11:42AM

Here's another one with a 99c opening.

Russ, NCNE

clackamas · January 28, 2007 12:16PM

True MS66's from 68-70 are very difficult. I have a few from 68 that I would not aprt with at $100. They are just too hard to find. A true MS66 68-D is a bargain at $100.

A couple of examples of the direction in which the market for early date Kennedys has gone.

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