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Anyone else here break open slabs for their type set?
I have to admit, whenever I show coins to family or friends, I hate sitting there with 20 slabs...so I've done it! I took my handy Dewalt and started a new type set in a Dansco 7070. Of course it freaked out the wife who's only care was...."If you die, how am I going to sell that thing?"...and "I won't be able to get as much for them now." But as Kramer said in the Seinfeld episode when he was going "Commando"...
"Jerry! I'm FREE and I'M LOVING IT!"
"Jerry! I'm FREE and I'M LOVING IT!"
Prost!
Why step over the dollar to get to the cent? Because it's a 55DDO.
Why step over the dollar to get to the cent? Because it's a 55DDO.
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I have popped out several for my type set, but sometimes I am still a prostitute to the plastic. I just can't do it.......
Too many positive BST transactions with too many members to list.
Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
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Lesson: be careful with your drill, and be careful that the plastic flakes do not come into contact with the coin!
no no no, use bench vice: squeeze, pop short seams, sqeeze, pop long seams, open slab like book.
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"Plastic! How do you wear these things!! Look at that--they're baggin' up,
they're rising in! An' there's nothing holding me in place! I'm flip
pin'! I'm floppin'!
Plastic is for Pamela Anderson, not early busts!
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Capped Bust Dimes
<< <i>drill? plastic flakes??
no no no, use bench vice: squeeze, pop short seams, sqeeze, pop long seams, open slab like book. >>
I forgot to mention the flat-head screwdriver I struck with a hammer to pry into the slab. I think I drove the plastic flakes into the coin with the screwdriver!! New rule: use a vice! (which I should just go out and buy).
But I have cracked many slabs and will continue to do so.
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etexmike
<< <i>I do. I stick the PCGS labels on the inside back cover of my Dansco. >>
same here, except I also put NGC and ANACS labels there too.
Hopefully you saved any PCGS labels since PCGS will pay .50 cents each to get the coins out of the pop reports! Just mail them in.
Edited to Add:
I guess I don't really understand why someone would pay money for a PCGS graded coin or have a coin graded by PCGS and then pop it out of the slab?
The Grade Guarantee goes bye bye. (Mistakes are made even by the best)
The Authentication guarantee goes bye bye. (Mistakes are made here too)
And the value of the coin drops significantly especially for those that come after you to liquidate your estate.
The PCGS labels by themselves are pretty much worthless as far as connecting a label with a specific coin so whats the point?
I guess if I were to start a raw 7070, then I would fill it with raw coins, purchased based on my grade opinion in conjunction with the sellers price.
The name is LEE!
If both coins were AU-50 or above they probably would have stayed in the slabs.
<< <i>almost every coin in my 7070 was previously certified >>
Same here
I've been tempted recently to crack all my bust slabs just to hold them in my grubbies.
https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/collectors-showcase/world-coins/one-coin-per-year-1600-2017/2422
<< <i>DeWalt??
Hopefully you saved any PCGS labels since PCGS will pay .50 cents each to get the coins out of the pop reports! Just mail them in.
Edited to Add:
I guess I don't really understand why someone would pay money for a PCGS graded coin or have a coin graded by PCGS and then pop it out of the slab?
The Grade Guarantee goes bye bye. (Mistakes are made even by the best) >>
When you buy the coin and not the slab this is no concern. The grade on the label is then just mere text, whether you agree with it or not.
<< <i>The Authentication guarantee goes bye bye. (Mistakes are made here too) >>
I'll grant that there are very few mistakes for the better known companies, and if you've been collecting a series for any meaningful amount of time you should be able to detect most counterfeits anyway. I don't consider this a very big issue then.
<< <i>And the value of the coin drops significantly especially for those that come after you to liquidate your estate. >>
I seriously doubt that the people who will pay the most are going to really care whether the coin is slabbed or not. When this is not the case, well, that just means that the slabbed coins are like tulip bulbs. If you do plan on holding to death, make a list of dealers/other people your heirs should sell to. Slabs do not emit and honesty rays and if your heirs sell to the first person they find and who happens to be a dishonest dealer, such a dealer well screw them over whether the coins are raw or slabbed. If they find an honest dealer, they'll pay a fair amount, whether raw or slabbed.
<< <i>I guess if I were to start a raw 7070, then I would fill it with raw coins, purchased based on my grade opinion in conjunction with the sellers price. >>
Buy the best you can afford and understand is (to a first approximation) a good motto, and if you intend to have raw coins, it's very easy to make any slabbed coin raw, so why limit yourself to those already raw?
Ed. S.
(EJS)
<< <i>I guess I don't really understand why someone would pay money for a PCGS graded coin or have a coin graded by PCGS and then pop it out of the slab? >>
Try to find nice coins raw. It's much harder to do. If it's worth slabbing, it usually has been. Not always, but most of the time.
For the ones that I have sent in for certification only to crack them out..
1) Gives me the confidence in grading. How good are my grading skills compared to....PCGS or NGC
2) When I die, it gives my family an idea of what grade the coin is. If they take it to a dealer who says in an AU when in actuallity its MS66, they know to move on. They can also get an idea of market value quickly. Certainly the grade could change upon re-submission, but it's a guide at that point.
<< <i>Edited to Add:
I guess I don't really understand why someone would pay money for a PCGS graded coin or have a coin graded by PCGS and then pop it out of the slab?
The Grade Guarantee goes bye bye. (Mistakes are made even by the best)
The Authentication guarantee goes bye bye. (Mistakes are made here too)
And the value of the coin drops significantly especially for those that come after you to liquidate your estate.
The PCGS labels by themselves are pretty much worthless as far as connecting a label with a specific coin so whats the point? >>
You've made some good points, but here is how I see it for my personal collecting enjoyment - I am pretty confident with grading a coin & determining whether it is "problem free" (in most cases) when I can inspect for myself before buying, but I have no local shop from which to buy quality raw coins. I've found that most of the coins (of the quality I want for my set) advertised on websites are already slabbed (I buy only from dealers who accept returns).
Whether slabbed or raw, I accept or reject a coin based on my own opinion, not just what's on the label, but I've found that buying slabbed coins greatly reduces my rejection rate (although I have returned slabbed coins, too). Do I pay more for the slabbed coin? Probably, but I always try to get the best value that I can for my money.
I collect for the love of coins, not the plastic. Should I ever need to recertify the coins for maximum return in case I decided to sell, they should recertify without problem, as should the ones I bought raw. I keep the labels just for the record. Is cracking-out risky? - sure it is. If PCGS/NGC can make mistakes, I certainly can. Bottom line is that I collect because I enjoy it, and I am willing to accept the risk.
<< <i>Hopefully you saved any PCGS labels since PCGS will pay .50 cents each to get the coins out of the pop reports! Just mail them in.
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I haven't heard this and I was wondering about keeping the populations accurate. Is this for real?
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<< <i>almost every coin in my 7070 was previously certified >>
And, Baley, may I say...you have a ROCKING 7070!!!
One of the best I've ever seen (from your images)!
For ours, I have only cracked out 2 coins. A BTW commem in 64 and a 1868 shield nickel in AU.
I am a skeerdy cat and will buy raw for the 7070...if I buy it slabbed, it stays slabbed (though, I am doing a slabbed type set as well, too)
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
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<< <i>Hopefully you saved any PCGS labels since PCGS will pay .50 cents each to get the coins out of the pop reports! Just mail them in.
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I haven't heard this and I was wondering about keeping the populations accurate. Is this for real? >>
Yup, it's for real.
<< <i>Oh crap... You mean your supposed to take them out of the slabs before you put them into your 7070? No wonder I can't close the cover!!! >>
Some I sold as no longer in slab but with the ticket and some I re-submitted. I can state unequivocally that grading is not a science. Several expensive coins came back from PSGC in body bags despite having been cracked out of PCGS slabs. Ditto for NGC slabs. One, a 1909-S-VDB penny went from NGC MS65 to PCGS body bag. Made me wonder about preferential treatment given to submitters.
Also made me wonder if this hobby is about coins or investment commodities. I collect coins because I enjoy them but when I take a 35+% hit for cracking slabs on a $50,000 investment something is seriously wrong. Now colleting world crowns (idiot that I am)
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I'll do the same when I crack out my yet-to-be-acquired UHR.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>What good are the labels once you crack out your coins? When you sell your coins, do you think anyone will believe you when you claim the labels belong to your coins? >>
If someone is fairly competent and secure with their own grading skills, and does not just buy the plastic like so many do, and actually buys the coin, then seeing the label might help confirm their own grading and add a bit of faith and security when considering purchasing said cracked out coins.
I feel I can spot problem coins, and if a label is withing what I thought the coin would grade, I'd personally put some faith in the seller they were being honest. But then again, I don't have a problem buying raw coins so a label is kind of moot in my case. Don't be chained down by plastic; free yourself.
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This is a record that could be verified. Additionally, I would take a few pictures of my UHR with my smiling face next to it before carefully cracking the slab to get it out. This picture, along with the label, goes with the coin if and when I sell it.
<< <i>"What good are the labels once you crack out your coins? When you sell your coins, do you think anyone will believe you when you claim the labels belong to your coins?"
This is a record that could be verified. Additionally, I would take a few pictures of my UHR with my smiling face next to it before carefully cracking the slab to get it out. This picture, along with the label, goes with the coin if and when I sell it. >>
Do you also guarantee that it will not body bag or come back in a lower grade if the new owner wants to get it reslabbed?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Nope, my type set is slabbed and it will stay that way. I like my best coins slabbed, it makes me feel all comfy inside. Raw coins over $100 or so make me worry and I stress out over their storage. I'm sure some would say I am wrong to feel that way, but thats the way it is. I prefer the slab presentation to the album method personally. >>
I don't see how anyone could call this "wrong." It's your collection, and you should do as you please. I'm sure you are not alone in your thinking.
1908 S in AU 55 cent, 1949 S Franlin Half in MS 64 (the original rarest Franklin) old head talking, a very "unique SBA dollar" as it is the only one I own.
Regards, Michael