Why coin doctors need to be eviscerated...

coinpictures · January 20, 2007 3:02PM

And the sad thing is it looks like it might have been a fairly nice coin before some numbnuts got a hold of it.

Can anything be done to salvage this piece? Is this the type of thing that NCS could do anything with?

notwilight · January 20, 2007 3:04PM

Anybody could dip it and make it white. So long as there is color and not black, the tarnish should come right off.

Are you sure this one is doctored and it isn't just a supersaturated photo?

Bochiman · January 20, 2007 3:06PM

Is there a cleaning under the toning on the obverse? Almost looks like it from the pic

Fletcher · January 20, 2007 3:12PM

<< Is there a cleaning under the toning on the obverse? Almost looks like it from the pic >>

Tough to tell ... looks like die polish in the fields and cleaning on the devices to me. If it is cheap enough, buy it and give it a dip because, besides the Fake 'N Bake, that is one beautiful quarter

coinpictures · January 20, 2007 3:20PM

<< Is there a cleaning under the toning on the obverse? Almost looks like it from the pic >>

I believe there is; especially noticeable on the obverse to the right of liberty.

I've purchased it... I just don't know what to do with it.

Fletcher · January 20, 2007 3:28PM

<< I've purchased it... I just don't know what to do with it.

>>

Send it to a dipper who knows what he is doing ... I would rather have it show a cleaning than that silly dayglo easter egg color. In the end, even if it shows a few cleaning lines, that is one beautful quarter you bought.

roadrunner · January 20, 2007 3:37PM

Probably a cleaned slider that was toned to make it appear UNC.
The surfaces under that toning appear to have problems. It's not going to look particularly appealing after a dipping.

roadrunner

clw54 · January 20, 2007 3:43PM

It looks polished, or is it the AT that gives it that look?

Elcontador · January 20, 2007 4:40PM

The 1861 usually is well struck, except for the eagle's rt. wingtip. The 1857 and 1861 P are the type coins of the Seated No Motto Quarters.

Agree w Roadrunner; there appears to be rub on Miss Liberty's rt. thigh, in addition to some chatter which is located there.

You bought a problem coin.

ledzep87 · January 20, 2007 4:51PM

It looks like an AU coin that has been polished and ATed.

stman · January 20, 2007 4:57PM

There's that "BLUE" again.

shmort6552 · January 20, 2007 5:10PM

I find it interesting that most of these threads call for lynching/shootings or some other way of killing these "coin doctors". Then a thread will appear where people will say, "well I bought one 'cuz I really liked the colour" or I wanted one to examine.
I call it hypocracy but I get others don't mind further padding the wallets of the blowtorch bunch.

lordmarcovan · January 20, 2007 5:31PM

Will colors that resulted from heat (i.e. blowtorching or whatever) dip off?

tmot99 · January 21, 2007 12:00AM

I don't like the coin at all. Cleaned. AT'd. Just not for me. But, to each his own. And if you got it for a good price, not that big of a deal.

Are these your pictures or the seller's?

clw54 · January 21, 2007 12:26AM

<< I find it interesting that most of these threads call for lynching/shootings or some other way of killing these "coin doctors". Then a thread will appear where people will say, "well I bought one 'cuz I really liked the colour" or I wanted one to examine.
I call it hypocracy but I get others don't mind further padding the wallets of the blowtorch bunch. >>

I think it's more rationalization than hipocracy. People have paid a lot of premiums for coins because they don't look the same way they were minted, especially over the last few years. Lately some uncomfortable truths have come out about the coins. When faced with the strong possibility that the monster toner a person paid 10X over sheet for was cooked up in a lab or kitchen somewhere, it's easier to say they like it for its color.

mirabela · January 21, 2007 12:41AM

If you dip that and leave it a while in a brown paper bag, or a wooden box, or a leather pouch, or anywhere else that will eventually give it a cruddy brown/black appearance, you can probably salvage a decent AU $100-125 coin out of that. I think that's about as good as it's going to get, though.

seemyauction · January 21, 2007 1:59AM

Looks AU to me......I can not give you an accurate AT or NT statement.....I'm color blind....

AL

MacCrimmon · January 21, 2007 2:15AM

It has that burnished look; probably jewelers rouge or some other ultra-fine abrasive.

Cladiator · January 21, 2007 2:18AM

Gotta love blue...

410a · January 21, 2007 2:58AM

Not a problem. Get it dipped. Besides the coin's a nice AU58.

410a · January 21, 2007 3:04AM

You see it might possibly been a dipped white coin to begin with
WITH LUSTER REMAINING and these guys are what scares the
heck out of me. It drives you to not buying. You begin to wonder
and think is anything real in high grades. Yes, Morgan dollars because of their history in vaults, but a lot of type gets ruined both
ways dipped out white then Doctored back. This is one thing that
can ruin a "coin market" for good.

dthigpen · January 21, 2007 3:07AM

I like it when coins get some blue in them...

410a · January 21, 2007 3:38AM

You see those little dots? Some will call them spots. I say NO.
Why? I say the environment they were housed or kept in. Which makes me think it is nice an original toning. See? I even had to
analyze that coin. These darn con doctors are making me.......

I like your coin.

coinpictures · January 21, 2007 3:55AM

<< You see those little dots? Some will call them spots. I say NO.
Why? I say the environment they were housed or kept in. Which makes me think it is nice an original toning. See? I even had to
analyze that coin. These darn con doctors are making me.......

I like your coin. >>

PCGS considered the coin to be "Questionable Color" and I concur (the previous owner saved the PCGS label that was sent back with the coin). It almost looks like the blue toning was "painted" onto the coin, although I'd be curious as to how it was applied without leaving brush strokes and also being able to "fade" the color towards the center.

I knew what I was buying when I bought it. I'm just curious as to what, if anything, can (or should) be done with it.

As far as cost, I know I'm into it way too deep at MS60 money, but I wanted the coin as an interesting piece. Seller originally wanted MS63 money, to which I laughed loudly.

I'm not looking to resell the coin. I'm just genuinely curious as to whether a coin like this can be salvaged, or is the process of applying/baking the coin irreparable. I suppose the only way to truly know is to try something, but I'm not sure I wish to do that. Then most likely it would just be yet another dipped and stripped dull lifeless piece.

Heck, at least at the moment the coin has some character, even if the character is a buffoon...

keets · January 21, 2007 4:23AM

logic says pass and look for another.

Aegis3 · January 21, 2007 3:09PM

<< Will colors that resulted from heat (i.e. blowtorching or whatever) dip off? >>

There are solutions that will remove any Cu(I), Cu(II) and Ag(I) compounds which may be on a surface of a coin. Most people, however, should not even think about using what I am thinking of.

(The standard mildly acidic "dips" will also likely work almost as well, though they will remove small amounts of unoxidized metal also, unlike the method above.)

Myqqy · January 21, 2007 3:23PM

Let us know if you decide to "conserve" it from the AT job- I'd be curious to see after pics....

Frankcoins · January 21, 2007 8:47PM

Seems to be whizzed and artificially toned. Even coins which have been messed with are probably better left alone.

foxxze · January 21, 2007 11:54PM

I would think if wizzed ; PCGS would have said so .
"I'm not looking to resell the coin. I'm just genuinely curious as to whether a coin like this can be salvaged "
if you do not wish to sell it /slab it ..........then why not enjoy it as is ?
It is beautiful !

KurtHorn · January 22, 2007 1:41AM

Don't dip it... with that much color the amount of dipping necessary to get it all off will leave it with that dead lustre etched look. Plus I am positive you won't like what is under the color.

Why coin doctors need to be eviscerated...

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