There is a good book about the psychology of collecting. I need to find the title, though.
Always took candy from strangers Didn't wanna get me no trade Never want to be like papa Working for the boss every night and day --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
Collecting is (psychologically speaking) a form of security. A collection, personally assembled, gives an individual a sense of accomplishment and a secure feeling in his/her own ability and worth. Cheers, RickO
I actually like this article's interpretation.....we all have some sort of brain damage
The brain is an incredibly complex organ. Often, in brain research, looking at the effects of an injury can suggest how the brain normally functions. It's kind of like taking parts out of a DVD player to see how it works without them. If you take out a part, and you lose the sound but not the picture, you know that part had something to do with the sound.
Obviously, scientists can't go around taking parts out of people's brains to see what happens. But they can study people who happen to have brain injuries. They can look at a bunch of patients with the same kind of brain injury, and look for common symptoms. Or they can look at patients with similar symptoms, and see if they have similar brain injuries. Either way, if they find a pattern, they can draw some conclusions about how the brain works.
Here, Dr.Anderson's team looked at dozens of patients who had focal brain lesions—very specific injuries to small areas of the brain. They divided them into two groups: those who developed compulsive hoarding habits after they were injured, and those who did not. When they compared the brain injuries of the hoarders to the non-hoarders, they spotted an area in the prefrontal cortex that appeared to make the difference.
Why would a brain injury make people collect junk? Anderson suspects this doesn't just happen randomly. All humans seem to have some kind of built-in tendency to collect things. This may harken back to an earlier point in our evolution: many animals hoard things, especially food. But somewhere along the way, Anderson suggests, this little spot on our prefrontal cortex put the brakes on hoarding. For those patients unlucky enough to get injured in this spot, the controls come off, and they start hoarding anything they can get their hands on.
If his suspicions are correct, this wouldn't be the only example of a prefrontal cortex injury unleashing some kind of primitive behavior. The prefrontal cortex is the most "advanced" part of the brain; only mammals have it, and it's more developed in humans than in any other animal. Patients with other prefrontal cortex injuries often lose control of their basic impulses, resulting in everything from inappropriate vocal outbursts to anti-social or violent behavior.
Understanding how this area of the brain works may also help doctors treat other patients who hoard things. Although hoarding isn't as destructive as some psychiatric problems, it can still make your life very messy and unmanageable. If scientists could find a way to artificially control the hoarding instinct in these patients, they could focus their energies on their families, jobs, and hobbies again.
In Loving Memory of my Dad......My best friend, My inspiration, and My Coin Collecting Partner
Ancient and older items allow us to connect with an era which we did not experience.
But collecting can be for reasons of pure beauty and aesthetics, as well as history.
Those that never throw anything away are insecure with their present lives. This is not collecting, but a failure to move on to better and perhaps unknown adventures.
So throw out the old clothes, papers, and books that have not been touched in 2 years, and buy some new ones.
DITTO, it is also a nice break from other realities from life.
Love of History .
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."
I can tell you what I am very sorry that I didn't collect. From 1951 until 1954 I was in the USAF stationed in England. At the time all the WWll air bases were still intact. Over 50,000 men were killed or became POWs from those bases. I will regret until my dying day that I didn't take the opportunity to put on film those bases. They have pretty much been destroyed now.
I've heard the explanation that since most men would love to collect women but can't, they collect other things to compensate. That's a bit too Freudian for my taste.
I like having physical connections with the past. I guess that explains why I prefer circulation coins. My Centennial set in VF to EF is getting closer to completion, and I find it fascinating to own coins that circulated during that period (ditto on chopmarked coins).
I started back up with collecting after I left my corporate job and started my own biz,...I know its no match for other investments ( well maybe not !),....but I thought it was a sound way of investing my disposable income , have fun, and maybe make a little money if I needed it......I am sure if I had to go liquid , I would at least break even.......also as others mentioned, the security and the the pride of assembling a collection is very personal to you,....also there is so much history behind each and every coin that you will just never know ,...its
I am also getting to do my first show from behind the dealers table this friday and sat...Its my buddies tables and I am helping him work it....its a local yearly show, bout 60 tables......should be a cool exp.........got some pocket money, lookin for the last few slabbed Franklins for my toner DATE set in PCGS/NGC's in 64's +++ and some AU $20 Libs.......
<< <i>If his suspicions are correct, this wouldn't be the only example of a prefrontal cortex injury unleashing some kind of primitive behavior. The prefrontal cortex is the most "advanced" part of the brain; only mammals have it, and it's more developed in humans than in any other animal. Patients with other prefrontal cortex injuries often lose control of their basic impulses, resulting in everything from inappropriate vocal outbursts to anti-social or violent behavior. >>
I guess I better quit doing this then ----
Actually, I collect so I can say "I have it and you don't but if you do then mine's better than your's"
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
I read an article recently that suggested that collectors collect things because they were neglected/abused in childhood. (isn't that what causes everything?) They said that the act of collecting gives them a feeling of security.
Sounds somewhat plausible...
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<< <i>I read an article recently that suggested that collectors collect things because they were neglected/abused in childhood. (isn't that what causes everything?) They said that the act of collecting gives them a feeling of security.
Here's an old reply of mine in DingoDog's thread "Why collect coins"
Sunday July 09, 2006 9:29 AM (NEW!)
It's all those coins out there. They've been made at thousands of mints and then they go into commerce where they get mixed with other dates or they go on a ship that sinks. Some are only sold to collectors who then pass them on to other collectors. All the coins are forever getting mixed up and passing one another in their trillion ran- dom walks. It's chaos out there and it's mind boggling.
Someone needs to impose a little bit of order on these things. At least put a few of them in an album with similar coins of other dates. Maybe get a bunch of different ones and organize them a little.
It's also important we remember the past fondly and that future generations think of these times in the best possible light. Passing down some nice "tamed" coins in the best possible grade will make them think the past was noble and that they must strive for the best as well.
There's also a great deal to be learned from coins. From history, to statistics, and met- allurgy coins can make some of the best and most interesting teachers.
They are money and represent value and wealth. Most people use money to keep score in life so why not have the best money with which to keep score?
I'm not near as interested in the coins as I am in the hunt. If this were a straight up honest hobby I wouldn't be a collector. I like the Wild West part of it.
I'm no expert. I think it has to do with "hunting" and "gathering". I think we're basically wired to collect or else be beaten and eaten. I give my opinion freely and it's worth every penny you pay for it.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
I started collecting a few years ago. I have mostly moderns. I wanted complete sets so I stuck to the less expensive moderns. Not much history involved with these coins. Just the satisfaction of putting together a complete set was enough for me. Recently I found a new reason to collect. I bought a coin that really hit home with me on how a coin can be part and a piece of history at the same time. It was a coin from a period of history I had studied when I was younger , a coin that connects the history , plays ,movies and books that I have poured over on the subject in my not so few years in this world. Somehow when I look at this coin it ties everthing to gether in my mind and makes me feel very happy. I don't think I have ever had as much satisfaction from a something I owned before. I can now see why people like the old crusty stuff now. (I put the coin in my sig line in case anyone is curious)
According to a recent NYTimes article about 16th century Taino Indians in Cuba ...
"They adored its sweet smell, its reddish hue, its exotic origins and its dazzling iridescence, qualities that elevated it to the category of sacred materials known as guanín. Local chieftains wore it in pendants and medallions to show their wealth, influence and connection to the supernatural realm. Elite women and children were buried with it. What was this treasured stuff? Humble brass — specifically, the lace tags and fasteners from Spanish explorers’ shoes and clothes, for which the Taíno eagerly traded their local gold. "
BTW - scanning with an electron microscope showed the gold came from Colombia and the brass came from Germany
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
I actually do both - I consider myself a birder who collects coins. I've often been struck by the similarities between the hobbies:
Birders 'collect' a life list of birds seen out of the set of birds in their area; Numismatists collect coins in a set
Birders use "field marks" to ID subspecies and age; Numismatists use die states and wear to specifically ID coins
Birders read for hours so they can ID a rare species if they see one; Numismatists read for hours so they can cherry-pick
Birders tend to be strange, old, and male; Numismstists tend to be strange, old, and male
Birders spend a large amount of their money on their hobby; ditto
Non-Birders look at birders like they've lost their minds; Non-Numismatists look at birders like they've lost their minds lol
Really, the main difference is that birders like to do it outside while wearing binoculars, while numismatists like to do in on a messy desk wearing a loupe.
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Didn't wanna get me no trade
Never want to be like papa
Working for the boss every night and day
--"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)
That is what comes to my mind.
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<< <i>There is a good book about the psychology of collecting. I need to find the title, though. >>
Muensterberger's Collecting: an Unruly Passion
<< <i>We all have OCD? >>
DITTO, it is also a nice break from other realities from life.
The brain is an incredibly complex organ. Often, in brain research, looking at the effects of an injury can suggest how the brain normally functions. It's kind of like taking parts out of a DVD player to see how it works without them. If you take out a part, and you lose the sound but not the picture, you know that part had something to do with the sound.
Obviously, scientists can't go around taking parts out of people's brains to see what happens. But they can study people who happen to have brain injuries. They can look at a bunch of patients with the same kind of brain injury, and look for common symptoms. Or they can look at patients with similar symptoms, and see if they have similar brain injuries. Either way, if they find a pattern, they can draw some conclusions about how the brain works.
Here, Dr.Anderson's team looked at dozens of patients who had focal brain lesions—very specific injuries to small areas of the brain. They divided them into two groups: those who developed compulsive hoarding habits after they were injured, and those who did not. When they compared the brain injuries of the hoarders to the non-hoarders, they spotted an area in the prefrontal cortex that appeared to make the difference.
Why would a brain injury make people collect junk? Anderson suspects this doesn't just happen randomly. All humans seem to have some kind of built-in tendency to collect things. This may harken back to an earlier point in our evolution: many animals hoard things, especially food. But somewhere along the way, Anderson suggests, this little spot on our prefrontal cortex put the brakes on hoarding. For those patients unlucky enough to get injured in this spot, the controls come off, and they start hoarding anything they can get their hands on.
If his suspicions are correct, this wouldn't be the only example of a prefrontal cortex injury unleashing some kind of primitive behavior. The prefrontal cortex is the most "advanced" part of the brain; only mammals have it, and it's more developed in humans than in any other animal. Patients with other prefrontal cortex injuries often lose control of their basic impulses, resulting in everything from inappropriate vocal outbursts to anti-social or violent behavior.
Understanding how this area of the brain works may also help doctors treat other patients who hoard things. Although hoarding isn't as destructive as some psychiatric problems, it can still make your life very messy and unmanageable. If scientists could find a way to artificially control the hoarding instinct in these patients, they could focus their energies on their families, jobs, and hobbies again.
"La Vostra Nonna Ha Faccia Del Fungo"
San Diego, CA
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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We dream of things possible(in the future).
We live in the present.
We reminisce of things past.
Ancient and older items allow us to connect with an era which we did not experience.
But collecting can be for reasons of pure beauty and aesthetics, as well as history.
Those that never throw anything away are insecure with their present lives. This is not collecting, but a failure to move on to better and perhaps unknown adventures.
So throw out the old clothes, papers, and books that have not been touched in 2 years, and buy some new ones.
This latter problem does not apply to coins.
Love of History .
- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
-The hunter-gatherer aspect of our evolution.
-Pleasure
-greed, selfishness? (wanting/having something that others don't have)
-educational
-Pride
-Goals, ambition, accomplishment
-satisfaction
And the OCD thing, of course.
Hell, I don't need to exercise.....I get enough just pushing my luck.
I like having physical connections with the past. I guess that explains why I prefer circulation coins. My Centennial set in VF to EF is getting closer to completion, and I find it fascinating to own coins that circulated during that period (ditto on chopmarked coins).
Obscurum per obscurius
i flip moderns for insane PROFIT.
i thought i wanted to collect.
a fair amount of people and posts on here turned me off from the thought.
between the arrogance and high horse attitudes, doctors, rippers, dippers, whizzers, cherry pickers, vams, tpgs, fleabay, etc. etc.etc......
now i realize its all about the PROFIT.
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
I am also getting to do my first show from behind the dealers table this friday and sat...Its my buddies tables and I am helping him work it....its a local yearly show, bout 60 tables......should be a cool exp.........got some pocket money, lookin for the last few slabbed Franklins for my toner DATE set in PCGS/NGC's in 64's +++ and some AU $20 Libs.......
Steve
<< <i>If his suspicions are correct, this wouldn't be the only example of a prefrontal cortex injury unleashing some kind of primitive behavior. The prefrontal cortex is the most "advanced" part of the brain; only mammals have it, and it's more developed in humans than in any other animal. Patients with other prefrontal cortex injuries often lose control of their basic impulses, resulting in everything from inappropriate vocal outbursts to anti-social or violent behavior. >>
I guess I better quit doing this then ----
Actually, I collect so I can say "I have it and you don't but if you do then mine's better than your's"
The name is LEE!
Is that the older gentleman's version of "Mine's BIGGER than yours"????
because they were neglected/abused in childhood. (isn't that what causes everything?)
They said that the act of collecting gives them a feeling of security.
Sounds somewhat plausible...
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Good buys from: LordMarcovan, Aethelred, Ajaan, PrivateCoinCollector, LindeDad, Peaceman, Spoon, DrJules, jjrrww
Good sale to: Nicholasz219
<< <i>I read an article recently that suggested that collectors collect things
because they were neglected/abused in childhood. (isn't that what causes everything?)
They said that the act of collecting gives them a feeling of security.
Sounds somewhat plausible... >>
I am NOT going back in that closet ever again.
Now where's my Dansco?
<< <i>
I am NOT going back in that closet ever again.
Now where's my Dansco?
We put it in the closet!
The name is LEE!
We put it in the closet!
Sunday July 09, 2006 9:29 AM (NEW!)
It's all those coins out there. They've been made at thousands of mints and then
they go into commerce where they get mixed with other dates or they go on a ship
that sinks. Some are only sold to collectors who then pass them on to other collectors.
All the coins are forever getting mixed up and passing one another in their trillion ran-
dom walks. It's chaos out there and it's mind boggling.
Someone needs to impose a little bit of order on these things. At least put a few of
them in an album with similar coins of other dates. Maybe get a bunch of different
ones and organize them a little.
It's also important we remember the past fondly and that future generations think of
these times in the best possible light. Passing down some nice "tamed" coins in the
best possible grade will make them think the past was noble and that they must
strive for the best as well.
There's also a great deal to be learned from coins. From history, to statistics, and met-
allurgy coins can make some of the best and most interesting teachers.
They are money and represent value and wealth. Most people use money to keep
score in life so why not have the best money with which to keep score?
And besides, they're shiny.
<< <i>We all have OCD? >>
Obsesive Collecting Disorder
Guilty as charged
<< <i>I was hit in head with a hockey puck >>
asin, now that made me laugh out loud...Thanks.
<< <i>I was hit in head with a hockey puck >>
Probably would have been funnier if you said, " I was hit in the Hockey Puck with my head"
I think we're basically wired to collect or else be beaten and eaten.
I give my opinion freely and it's worth every penny you pay for it.
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
<< <i>-The hunter-gatherer aspect of our evolution.
-Pleasure
-greed, selfishness? (wanting/having something that others don't have)
-educational
-Pride
-Goals, ambition, accomplishment
-satisfaction >>
elwood pretty much has it.
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SSDC - Life Member
ANA - Pay As I Go Member
Recently I found a new reason to collect. I bought a coin that really hit home with me on how a coin can be part and a piece of history at the same time. It was a coin from a period of history I had studied when I was younger , a coin that connects the history , plays ,movies and books that I have poured over on the subject in my not so few years in this world. Somehow when I look at this coin it ties everthing to gether in my mind and makes me feel very happy.
I don't think I have ever had as much satisfaction from a something I owned before. I can now see why people like the old crusty stuff now. (I put the coin in my sig line in case anyone is curious)
Old Coin Disease?
Why do we collect things?
According to a recent NYTimes article about 16th century Taino Indians in Cuba ...
"They adored its sweet smell, its reddish hue, its exotic origins and its dazzling iridescence, qualities that elevated it to the category of sacred materials known as guanín. Local chieftains wore it in pendants and medallions to show their wealth, influence and connection to the supernatural realm. Elite women and children were buried with it.
What was this treasured stuff? Humble brass — specifically, the lace tags and fasteners from Spanish explorers’ shoes and clothes, for which the Taíno eagerly traded their local gold. "
BTW - scanning with an electron microscope showed the gold came from Colombia and the brass came from Germany
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
Birders 'collect' a life list of birds seen out of the set of birds in their area; Numismatists collect coins in a set
Birders use "field marks" to ID subspecies and age; Numismatists use die states and wear to specifically ID coins
Birders read for hours so they can ID a rare species if they see one; Numismatists read for hours so they can cherry-pick
Birders tend to be strange, old, and male; Numismstists tend to be strange, old, and male
Birders spend a large amount of their money on their hobby; ditto
Non-Birders look at birders like they've lost their minds; Non-Numismatists look at birders like they've lost their minds lol
Really, the main difference is that birders like to do it outside while wearing binoculars, while numismatists like to do in on a messy desk wearing a loupe.