Home› U.S. Coin Forum

That MOC looking franklin is selling again.

mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
in U.S. Coin Forum
Ebay item # 150074341582. We will see what it goes for this time.
«1345

Comments

  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    That seller should be notified that coin was artificially toned while inside the holder and should not be offered for sale without a disclosure that it's an altered coin IMO.
  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
    The seller is fully aware of that.
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529 ✭
    Linkified


    Yes, i believe the current seller is fully aware of the highly questionable nature of this coin, but doesn't care.


    image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    mcheath,

    I clicked your link and nothing happened.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
    >>>>>>mcheath,

    I clicked your link and nothing happened.

    Russ, NCNE <<<<<<<<<


    Click Harder
    image
  • 13PacesEast13PacesEast Posts: 712 ✭
    P R O F I T

    it's all about IT.


    know what you don't know.

    hi, i'm tom.

    i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    He's selling that known blatant AT'd POS and yet has the gall to say this:



    << <i>This Jefferson is NOT from the infamous "Marty Hoard" that entered the market a few years ago. Those all contained BLUE and Lavender and Purple color that is questionable, at best. >>



    In this auction.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
    << This Jefferson is NOT from the infamous "Marty Hoard" that entered the market a few years ago. Those all contained BLUE and Lavender and Purple color that is questionable, at best. >>

    Funny what some people will say and do for money.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>He's selling that known blatant AT'd POS and yet has the gall to say this:



    << <i>This Jefferson is NOT from the infamous "Marty Hoard" that entered the market a few years ago. Those all contained BLUE and Lavender and Purple color that is questionable, at best. >>



    In this auction.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Geeze!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it's kind of obvious that this seller is involved in the AT coin market and doesn't care. you guys continually rail against stuff like what he's doing, isn't it about time you climb over to my side of the fence and stop acknowledging him. unless, of course, it really doesn't matter to you........................
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭
    It hasn't been so stated yet, but I believe this seller is a member of this forum.
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

    image
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It has been so stated yet, but I believe this seller is a member of this forum. >>



    Ya think?
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭
    Hey but he does also have "The Finest Flawless PCGS PR68 CAMEO 1964 Accented Hair" for sale as well.
    I thought Russ was the Kennedy guy? imageimage

    Seriously though.
    I don't know the history of this particular coin but if the accusations are true...
    To knowingly sell an AT coin without disclosing it is just plain wrong.
  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭
    The seller is a member of this forum and the current high bidder used to be a member of this forum. image

    Joe.
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529 ✭


    << <i>Hey but he does also have "The Finest Flawless PCGS PR68 CAMEO 1964 Accented Hair" for sale as well.
    I thought Russ was the Kennedy guy? imageimage

    Seriously though.
    I don't know the history of this particular coin but if the accusations are true...
    To knowingly sell an AT coin without disclosing it is just plain wrong. >>




    The seemingly accepted way around this is to say it's "market acceptable". This way these AT sellers think they're getting away with fraud.


    image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Am I losing my mind or has the description of that coin changed at least twice since the link was posted here...or both? image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529 ✭


    << <i>The seller is a member of this forum and the current high bidder used to be a member of this forum. image

    Joe. >>



    Players in the "Market Acceptable" game.


    image
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>The seller is a member of this forum and the current high bidder used to be a member of this forum. image

    Joe. >>



    Something happened with these guys this last summer when I was on vacation, and I couldn't find any threads about it when I came back. Were the threads deleted?
    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."

    image
  • OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561 ✭
    Maybe people don't give a chit if it's AT or NT? Personally, it WOULD matter to me but seemingly there are a lot of collectors that just want a colorful coin.

    I'm assuming that the suggestion here is that the seller knows that the coin is AT and as such should provide full disclosure.
    Perhaps the proper thing for the seller/owner of this coin to do would be to send it back to PCGS and have it unholdered. Get it off the market to show that there will be no tolerence of AT'd coins in PCGS holders. I'd hate to think that there are others out there!

    Also it seems to me that this particular method of ATing a coin is a very dastardly and devious deception as people tend to put faith in coins that are already in a holder as being legit.

    JMHO.
    imageimage
    Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
    ANA Member R-3147111
  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I finally clicked the link to see what you all were talking about and dang! That's Pat Braddick of Peacock Coins (forum ID "Braddick") selling the coin. What a trip, maybe he'll reply in the thread to talk about it?

  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    How much do you think it will sell for? If it's not too insanely high maybe I can win the coin. Then crack it out, burn the slab and dip the coin. After dipping I'll spend the damn thing at a 7-11.

    image

  • JupiterJupiter Posts: 76
    "Also it seems to me that this particular method of ATing a coin is a very dastardly and devious deception as people tend to put faith in coins that are already in a holder as being legit."






    Agreed. Selling coins already in sealed PCGS holders that have been deviously doctored is really bad. PCGS should take a keen interest in people doing this and selling coins like this in their holders.
  • cullenbryantcullenbryant Posts: 1,794
    it's obvious to me nowdays that a lot of people are doing business like this.
    painting a finish on the coin. probably been going on since way before i started collecting,
    but it's not much different than a colorized silver eagle or gold plated state quarters.

    sometimes these artists produce good eye appeal, but i wouldn't pay a premium for it,
    since with a little practice i could take a coin and do the same thing with a bottle of stuff
    being sold on ebay. image
  • DeusExMachinaDeusExMachina Posts: 1,325 ✭


    << <i>Selling coins already in sealed PCGS holders that have been deviously doctored is really bad. PCGS should take a keen interest in people doing this and selling coins like this in their holders. >>




    image

  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    That would be an interesting legal case.
  • BoomBoom Posts: 10,165 ✭
    image
    Boom's Retired Registry Set & Boom's Retired Variety Set
    image
  • GullibleNewbGullibleNewb Posts: 401
    That's the same coin I posted back in November. The seller (at the time, a different fellow)) reported me for transaction interference for posting a link to the coin here on the forum.
  • ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    supercarcoins( 143) US $41.00 Dec-26-06 14:14:36 PST


    Bubbah datz all you gonna bid?







    Herb
    Remember it's not how you pick your nose that matters, it's where you put the boogers.
    imageimageimage
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    If Marguli is bidding on this, that is even worse... no way he would want this, as he well knows its fakeola...so I would have to suspect he is schilling...

    This looks pretty bad Mr. Braddick!
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    I am not sure I would lose faith in Braddick yet, maybe he has something up his sleeveimage-----BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 25,103 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am not sure I would lose faith in Braddick yet, maybe he has something up his sleeveimage-----BigE >>

    image
  • richardshipprichardshipp Posts: 5,647 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I am not sure I would lose faith in Braddick yet, maybe he has something up his sleeveimage-----BigE >>

    image >>



    I hope so.
    I had you on "my favorites list" and I've got to say this looks bad.
    However, since I don't know you I'll accept that the right thing will be done.

    I'm just having one of "those" days, so if I end up getting bammed I'll still honor my
    giveaways that are running.

    Trying to keep that karma thing on the positive side image
  • LickThoseStampsLickThoseStamps Posts: 1,028 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I am not sure I would lose faith in Braddick yet, maybe he has something up his sleeveimage-----BigE >>

    image >>



    And when you're outed, add a disclaimer to the auction.



    << <i>On Dec-27-06 at 14:39:39 PST, seller added the following information:

    !!WARNING!! !!WARNING!! This is an MOC Coin! If you don't like MOC coins Do NOT bid! If you choose to bid know that ALL proceeds will go directly to TurningPoint Christian Ministries for the feeding of the homeless and/or missionary work. A photocopy of my check in the exact amount of the donation will be forwarded to the winning bidder.
    >>

  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am sure Braddick and and Gmarguli knew this coin was ATd, and the history.

    It's hard to believe Braddick would be trying to sell this as legit on Ebay. His belated disclosure does little to reassure. I hope Gmarguli was reacting to the charity invitation, and planned to get the thing off the market. One hopes for the best about both of these guys, whom I've always very much respected and trusted.

    It seems to me, though, that the only proper thing to do now is to pull that auction, and crack that thing out of that slab. image

    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    It's disclaimer street in market acceptable-ville..... image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • bhartman35bhartman35 Posts: 1,398
    I agree with what's already been said. Since PCGS won't slab AT'd coins, if the seller didn't disclose the AT nature of the coin, they'd be leading the buyer to believe that they could possibly get an upgrade (if they thought the coin deserved one). That's the problem I see with it. If it was raw, the buyer would be getting exactly what they paid for: a coin with pretty colors.

    Anyway, I'm glad to hear the money's going to charity.

    Edited to Add: Would anyone not on this forum know what an "MOC" coin is?
    If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.

    -- Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows


    My Ebay Auctions
    image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It's disclaimer street in market acceptable-ville..... image >>



    image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529 ✭


    << <i>I agree with what's already been said. Since PCGS won't slab AT'd coins, if the seller didn't disclose the AT nature of the coin, they'd be leading the buyer to believe that they could possibly get an upgrade (if they thought the coin deserved one). That's the problem I see with it. If it was raw, the buyer would be getting exactly what they paid for: a coin with pretty colors.

    Anyway, I'm glad to hear the money's going to charity.

    Edited to Add: Would anyone not on this forum know what an "MOC" coin is? >>



    My first thought when i read that newly written 'disclaimer'. In my opinion something still 'stinks' about this whole thing.


  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I hope Gmarguli was reacting to the charity invitation, and planned to get the thing off the market. >>



    He placed his bid before that was added.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    what is a MOC coin?
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    what is a MOC coin?

    Right here....
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    I just want to add that it was unfair of me to throw the "s" word out there like that.

    But still, it is a peculiar situation.
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OK, let's recap:

    1. the coin is in a first generation PCGS holder which has been the subject of previous AT threads. evidentally forum member Manofcoins and others were able to AT the coins while they were inside the holder.
    2. the coin in the auction link appears to be one of those AT'd examples.
    3. the seller is forum member Braddick.
    4. Braddick has a self-admitted history of dabbling with coin doctors, most recently with former forum member Gmarguli.
    5. the reasoning of the seller is that if the coin is "market acceptable" it's OK to sell it without any disclosure.
    6. forum member Braddick has a habit of exposing other AT'd coins and coin doctors in threads at this forum.
    7. since this thread was started, the seller(Braddick) has editted the auction, presumably to appear forthright concerning it's questionable nature while being benevolent and charitable, while the high bidder is Gmarguli and the attempt is most probably to protect the seller.
    8. anyone who believes there's anything legitimate about this auction, the charity premise and the actions of the seller and current high bidder may be deluding themselves.
    9. i would add that Braddick works in law enforcement in California, or at least he used to.

    did i miss anything??
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭


    << <i>did i miss anything?? >>



    You might add that the seller is a toning affectionado? (Jeez, I am starting to spell like bUBBAH!)
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ..................the seller is a toning affectionado?

    which fits where into my synopsis??
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    Doesn't really. Just a footnote.
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • 100proof1957100proof1957 Posts: 6,231 ✭
    i have seen a few Proof Frankies and they dont tone like that !
    image
  • OldnewbieOldnewbie Posts: 1,425 ✭✭
    I wonder if they're doing it to whip this forum into a froth?
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭


    << <i>I wonder if they're doing it to whip this forum into a froth? >>



    Well, it ain't working.

    Yoou see, we are a much calmer, more mature lot since the forum revamping.image
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
    Mary






    Best Franklin Website
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder if they're doing it to whip this forum into a froth?

    actually, i think it was a pathetic ploy to try and make it look like a "benevolent" auction with the proceeds going somewhere after the seller was outed...................again.

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Format
SpoilerCodeQuote
Heading 2Heading 1
Emoji
:):D:(;):/:o:s:p:'(:|B):#:*<3o:)>:)
Url
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file
Home • U.S. Coin ForumComment As ...