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<< <i>Why don't you rant against the guys who gold plate State Quarters too? >>
Where's the fraud?
Joe.
His response doesn't win any friends, however.
--Jerry
PS. MAYBE I'LL SEE YOU IN THE ISLANDS THIS WINTER IF YOU COULD AFFORD IT. LOL
Ummmm. What island is he going to and how is he going to get there? At $9.99 per set, considering the face value and man hours involved, he isn't getting rich on this junk. Maybe he's going to paddle a raft to a small island in Lake Michigan.
<< <i>PS. MAYBE I'LL SEE YOU IN THE ISLANDS THIS WINTER IF YOU COULD AFFORD IT. LOL
Ummmm. What island is he going to and how is he going to get there? At $9.99 per set, considering the face value and man hours involved, he isn't getting rich on this junk. Maybe he's going to paddle a raft to a small island in Lake Michigan. >>
Pretty much what I was thinking. Baking cookies would likely be just as profitable. Oh, and I love it when they reply. They always make themselves look to be a bigger jerk than I had already imagined.
<< <i>Who cares? They're just nickels. >>
I agree; who cares? but I found this customer comment funny: " REALLY AWESOME SELLER MERCHANTDISE SPEAKS FOR IT'S SELF!" I agree, the merchandise speaks for itself
<< <i>Jerky seller, cheap cheesy coins...yes. Fraud...I'm not seeing it. So next time you report a listing and nothing happens, maybe they're too busy with silliness like this. I'm sure your heart was in the right place, but I think you're the one with egg on your face here. Sorry. >>
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<< <i>Jerky seller, cheap cheesy coins...yes. Fraud...I'm not seeing it. So next time you report a listing and nothing happens, maybe they're too busy with silliness like this. I'm sure your heart was in the right place, but I think you're the one with egg on your face here. Sorry. >>
He is not saying how they are toned, says not chemical however. Is the implication that these are naturally toned?
Outright fraud? I'm not sure, it is somewhat of a gray area. Is it OK to overcharge people for junk just because the coins are
worth little to begin with?
I personally would not deal with a character like this regardless of whether the coins are messed with or not
"La Vostra Nonna Ha Faccia Del Fungo"
it's all about the
PROFIT.
remember.....
P R O F I T .
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
<< <i>Is it OK to overcharge people for junk just because the coins are worth little to begin with? >>
No one is being overcharged - they bid the amount they are willing to pay. If people really want this stuff (or if they are simply too stupid to know any better), they get exactly what they deserve. Don't get me wrong, I personally despise the crap being sold. As a numismatist I know enough to know I don't want any part of it. I believe that people must take personal responsibility for what they do (i.e. bidding on torch-toned coins). JMO - Preussen
<< <i>or if they are simply too stupid to know any better >>
Yep, the standard it's not the deceptive seller's fault, it's the stupid uninformed buyers fault. I hear this all the time. Well, you are probably right that some blow torched nickels for a buck each is no big deal, but where is the line where it becomes a big deal. This hobby requires all participants to self-regulate, and the attitude that it's always the stupid buyer's fault only give these jerks a license to operate.
Who knows, if a single lurker out there learned something from this thread that keeps them from wasting their $13 the post is well worth it. We should all demand that this guy disclose that he has altered these coins and they are a novelty only. His claim that these are chemical free may be accurate, but he makes the claim only to infer these are natural.
<< <i>If artifically toning some cheap coins is no big deal to charge a higher price then why would adding a "D" mintmark to a circulated 1914 lincoln cent be considered fraud to sell it?. Think deep about that before you respond.
Well, there is a difference. I know you are suggesting both have been altered to make a profit. But the toning is altering the condition, not creating a different item altogether. A 1914-D cent is not a 1914 cent. However, an artificially toned 2006-D nickel remains a 2006-D nickel.
Jerry
<< <i>If artifically toning some cheap coins is no big deal to charge a higher price then why would adding a "D" mintmark to a circulated 1914 lincoln cent be considered fraud to sell it?. Think deep about that before you respond.
I'll assume (uh oh, we all know what that means
Peace
<< <i>If artifically toning some cheap coins is no big deal to charge a higher price then why would adding a "D" mintmark to a circulated 1914 lincoln cent be considered fraud to sell it?. Think deep about that before you respond.
Heating a nickel with a blowtorch is not "fraud" - anymore than putting a penny on a railrod track and waiting for the train to come by and flatten it would be. The "fraud" occurs when something is sold with a misrepresentation - ie: "this 1914 penny is a genuine product of the Denver Mint" - When a Seller makes that representation - and the coin has an added D - that's Fraud.
If a seller says a coin is toned, and that no chemicals were used - if the coin IS toned and no chemicals were used - thre is no misrepresentation and that's NOT fraud - If you as the consumer buy these coin and assume (foolishly) that the toning on these currently produced nickels (made by the mint recently) is the product of a natural long-term reaction with the coins environment storage conditions, you are at best naive, and at worst in need of a guardian to manage your finances. But selling these "toned" modern nickels for a buck or so a piece is not fraud.
This is probably about the same as the TPG'd coins that are sold on HSN - for too much money - it's simply a matter of over-paying for something that is readily available in other venues - Is this any different that selling a common ASE that someone says is MS70 and renders that "opinion" on a little piece of paper and put the coin and the paper in a plastic slab and says it's worth a Thousand dollars? - I think the fool who buys six of those "toned" nickels is smarter than the person who pays a $1000 for a common coin (that looks essentially like all the others) that is encased in plastic with a piece of paper with an opinion that says the coin is perfect. JMHO
Edited to add - I guess you get 10 of those torched nickels - so with the shipping about a $1.20 each. If you want a cheap torched toned coin, it's actually cheaper than buying the propane torch or heat gun to make 'em yourself - On the other hand maybe a toster over works also - in that case all you'd need is the nickels
“It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.” Mark Twain
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<< <i>- I think the fool who buys six of those "toned" nickels is smarter than the person who pays a $1000 for a common coin (that looks essentially like all the others) that is encased in plastic with a piece of paper with an opinion that says the coin is perfect. JMHO >>
Good point
<< <i>I'm more disgusted by the jack-a's who would want crap like that.
I am not a jackass. You jackass. There's nothing wrong with me buying these blantantly AT nickels to put in bezels. Nothing.
Jerry
If your stuff looks cool enough, sell YOURS on eBay.
it's not wrong if it's all about the PROFIT.
besides, even IF it was wrong.... and you got caught with your hand in the cookie jar...
just say "i apologize"
there. problem solved. you will be welcomed back into this twisted dimension with open arms.
why?
because it's all about the P R O F I T .
P R O F I T ! ! !
hi, i'm tom.
i do not doctor coins like some who post in here.
<< <i>He makes coin doctors look respectable. What he is, is a coin butcher...with an unashamed arrogant attitude! >>
He spells not to good too!
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<< <i>Why even buy that stuff? It only encourages the Docs to make more. MAKE your own and save some dough.
If your stuff looks cool enough, sell YOURS on eBay.
No.
The biggest fear that continues to show through the whole AT vs NT debate comes from those who paid big premiums for the coins they have. They are in fear that their big premiums might shrink to zero when others can aquire the same coin for next to nothing (like this auction).
Is the problem the guy like this who just changes the color, sells them and does not try to hide the fact (perfectly lefgal). Or is the problem with the collector who paid hundred of dollars for a common 2 buck coin with pretty colors?
In the end rarity mostly determines value. You cant change the date or the mint but you can change the color. I wouldn't call any coin with color rare or valuable if it can be easily duplicated.
ebay
if profit is $8/set then can add up to some good $if sells enough
can't you make your own on a cookie sheet at 350 degrees for half an hour?
I think I saw that on one of the cooking shows - Racheal Ray?
<< <i>I still think the sellers attitude is off key....you didnt call him a fool, you just asked "who is he trying to fool?"
I personally would not deal with a character like this regardless of whether the coins are messed with or not
Ditto - what a jerk.