sacagawea's days numbered?

Konahead · November 21, 2006 5:34PM

Do you think with the new Pres dollars coming next year that the mint will drop the Sacagawea? Give me your opinion.

Conder101 · November 21, 2006 7:10PM

Not for awhile yet. The law that auhorized the president dollars requires the mint to strike 1 Sac dollar for every 2 president dollars struck.

SportsModerator · November 21, 2006 7:16PM

<< sacagawea's days numbered? >>

We can only hope

quarterguy · November 21, 2006 7:52PM

pleeeeease.... say it isn't true

TwoSides2aCoin · November 21, 2006 7:53PM

I think the coin's on it's way out. They've sure outlasted the Susie Bees. And SBAs were circulated the whole time(barring '99) 1979-1981. Sacagawea's were shelved by the mint as a circulating coin after the first year, so it's odd that they keep selling a few million per year.(or is it a conspiracy ?)

I can only hope people spend PRESIDENTIAL dollars so the mint doesn't try to screw us collectors by charging a premium for them after 2007. Does anyone remember how people stashed all them Golden Dollars that WalMart was distributing ? Hoarding new coins and not spending them sends a message to the mint that they can put a premium on them and sell them to collectors for two dollars.

Every Sacagawea after 2000 cost $1.40 plus S&H. I can imagine the bounty being higher for a dead u.s. president over a dead native american

I am still fond of the Sacagawea design, but I think the Presidentials are going to be much better for Numismatics. The history lesson alone tells me that the G-men will Sack the Sackie.

sumnom · November 22, 2006 1:33AM

I love the sac. Do you all hear me? I LOVE THE SAC.

ricko · November 22, 2006 1:35AM

Sumnom... how do you really feel???? You can share....

Cheers, RickO

sumnom · November 22, 2006 1:37AM

Well, let me tell you, I like the sac. Nay, I love the sac. It is a grand design, one of the best the US Mint has produced in its entire history. It is both beautiful and functional. It is a triumph.

DJC · November 22, 2006 1:40AM

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<< sacagawea's days numbered? >>

We can only hope >>

relicsncoins · November 22, 2006 1:43AM

<< Not for awhile yet. The law that auhorized the president dollars requires the mint to strike 1 Sac dollar for every 2 president dollars struck. >>

Hmmmm.......maybe that will create a few semi-key date modern coins?

JJ

sumnom · November 22, 2006 1:44AM

Otis and DJC, you are both barbarous.

DJC · November 22, 2006 1:44AM

<< Otis and DJC, you are both barbarous. >>

I try my best

sumnom · November 22, 2006 1:46AM

You are succeeding brilliantly.

Newcomp103 · November 22, 2006 1:52AM

It seems as though there are a lot of casual collectors that like them at this point...as well as people interested to see what will become of them...as long as the mint has orders for them, they will probably continue the program...at $35 for $25 face value...it worked with the state quarters...$16 for $10 face value and I guess since it costs more than a cent to make a cent now and more than 5 cents to make a nickel, they have to generate their profit someplace else!

sumnom · November 22, 2006 1:59AM

How much does it cost to make a sac? Isn't it something like 35 cents?

TMCS · November 22, 2006 7:19AM

The metal value for the Sac is a little over 5 cents. Link for daily metal values

itsnotjustme · November 22, 2006 7:32AM

Condor got it. Present law keeps them going through the Presidential dollar series (2016 if no one else dies).

Gemineye · November 22, 2006 7:51AM

<< Otis and DJC, you are both barbarous. >>

Sheer blasphemous.......!!!

Omega · November 22, 2006 8:06AM

<< I love the sac. Do you all hear me? I LOVE THE SAC. >>

LindeDad · November 22, 2006 8:31AM

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Just check out over here and you will see that a lot of people love the little lady.Sacagawea Dollars, Proof (2000-present) There are 305 sets there.

or here

Sacagawea Dollars, Circulation Strikes (2000-present) There 206 sets here.

And BTW I have one in each so I kind of like her tooooooooo.

frankieboywonder · November 22, 2006 8:33AM

<< Condor got it. Present law keeps them going through the Presidential dollar series (2016 if no one else dies). >>

In that 10 year period, we will most likely lose Presidents Ford, Carter and Bush I.

SportsModerator · November 22, 2006 8:51AM

after it has been handled once or twice, the surfaces look like a Chuck-E-Cheese token, dull, lifeless, and cruddy.

Konahead · November 22, 2006 10:20AM

<< after it has been handled once or twice, the surfaces look like a Chuck-E-Cheese token, dull, lifeless, and cruddy. >>

You are correct, they don't hold up well over time. I seldom get them in change except in parking garage. The new proof set is going to grow to three slabs.

morgansforever · November 22, 2006 10:55AM

I'm not sure if her days are numbered, but it's ironic that a Native American helped Louis and Clark map out the west and lay the ground work for western expansion. This expansion led to the Homestead Act, shady land deals and railroad construction. We all know what happened to the Indians, a nice plot of desert in Arizona. So, why is she on the coin is the question?

morgans

53BKid · November 22, 2006 11:15AM

Hillary Clinton's sexist agenda, that's why.

morgansforever · November 22, 2006 11:38AM

Hillary Clinton's sexist agenda, that's why.

Did Hillary ever consider what her role was in the end? Wonder if Native Americans were insulted?

sumnom · November 22, 2006 3:39PM

I see the truth is starting to crawl out of its dirty little hole.

lordmarcovan · November 22, 2006 4:16PM

I really like the Sac from a design standpoint and a "golden color" standpoint, but I think they could've done better with the alloy. There are zillions of gold-colored coins from other countries that don't tarnish in circulation like Sacs do. I find that somewhat ironic after all the tinkering and experimentation they did with the alloy. Seems like they should've just taken pointers from the Royal Canadian Mint, who've been cranking out Loonies for a long time. Or somebody. Anybody. Sheesh.

Too proud to talk to the Darkside mints, I guess? Hell, the British pounds have a nice goldish color and don't tarnish like that. They're nice and thick, too, with lettered edges. Of course the thickness of the Sac was pretty much predetermined by the SBA precedent, I suppose. And maybe they couldn't use some of the foreign alloy mixtures because of vending machine issues? In that same vein of thought, I think it would be neat if the US Mint adopted a dollar planchet the size and thickness of a British pound. Would people spend Brit pounds in US vending machines? Probably not much, since they're from the other side of the pond and they're worth more, and the difference in foreign exchange value would probably make up for the exchange hassle if any Brit coins ended up in the tills.

garsmith · November 22, 2006 4:43PM

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The obverse and reverse of this coin are works of art, the failure is in the minting materials not the design!

#8 Circ Set

#1 Proof Set

drwstr123 · November 22, 2006 5:12PM

I don't know if it's common knowledge, but I went down to Seaside and Point Pleasant this summer and the Sacs are circulated on the boardwalks as tokens for the games. They do loose their sheen.

lordmarcovan · November 22, 2006 5:15PM

I get 'em from the vending machine at the post office. Susies, too. They're usually fairly decent there, but I suspect they never circulated long when the PO got them.

lonelyp · November 22, 2006 5:34PM

<< Not for awhile yet. The law that auhorized the president dollars requires the mint to strike 1 Sac dollar for every 2 president dollars struck. >>

So what will be in mint and proof sets? Pot luck on either?

JimDepot · November 22, 2006 10:15PM

<< Not for awhile yet. The law that auhorized the president dollars requires the mint to strike 1 Sac dollar for every 2 president dollars struck. >>

Is there any chance that the mint would mix the 2 dollars in the same rolls that are sent out for circulation?
That might get some Sacs in circulation.
Save the presidents, spend the sacs.

richbeat · November 24, 2006 3:19PM

lonelyp:

My guess is that there will be three plastic cases, or plastic packs. The first one will have the cent, nickel, dime and half dollar. The second one will have the state quarters, and the third one will have the four Presidential dollars plus the Sac dollar.

MWallace · November 24, 2006 7:45PM

<< That might get some Sacs in circulation. >>

The law actually requires that the Sac$ be placed into circulation at face value.

toreador74 · November 24, 2006 8:22PM

<< Seems like they should've just taken pointers from the Royal Canadian Mint, who've been cranking out Loonies for a long time. >>

Proof Loonies are beautiful coins. Proof Sacs are beautiful coins. Circulated Loonies lose their luster, but still serve their purpose as the only dollar option in Canada. "Circulated" Sacs lose their luster, but only seem available in bank rolls at this time.

The Sac's days aren't numbered, thanks to this legislation, but they (and their Presidential brothers, regardless of Congress' intent) will never circulate while the BEP still prints paper dollars.

Economically, it just makes sense to get rid of paper dollars that last, I think, 18 months on average before they are destroyed, and replace them with dollar coins that will last at least 20 years. By the way, as with Sacs, it seems most Loonies must be minted for collectors because almost all Loonies I got in circulation while in Canada a couple years ago were 1987s, the first year of issue.

Konahead · November 25, 2006 12:07PM

<< lonelyp:

My guess is that there will be three plastic cases, or plastic packs. The first one will have the cent, nickel, dime and half dollar. The second one will have the state quarters, and the third one will have the four Presidential dollars plus the Sac dollar.

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only I think the Sac will be with the normal set. This will allow the mint to sell the pres dollars alone like the state quarters.

GAB · November 25, 2006 12:14PM

I think the best that we could hope for is if the mint would recall the thousands of bags of Sac's sitting around in banks everywhere,
and use them to make some cool "sackey presidential" restrikes !!

richbeat · November 26, 2006 3:16PM

Yes, Konahead, that would seem to make more sense from the Mint's standpoint. Thanks!

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