Is Tom Noe any worse than guys like Sims, Pines, and centsles?
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The magnitude of the rip is different, but basically the same thing, in my opinion. Do you agree?
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<< <i>Is Tom Noe any worse than guys like Sims, Pines, and centsles? >>
No. Theft and deception is still theft and deception, regardless of the type or magnitude.
<< <i>I agree -- wrong is wrong, regardless of the magnitude. >>
Just to play devils advocate here. Do you think that someone that is convicted of knowingly stealing a video game from BestBuy should receive the same sentence as someone that was convicted of knowingly murdering someone?
Noe took advantage of injured parties who relied on the State of Ohio to help them in their times of difficulty. Ie., the people Noe victimized did not not decide to spend their money with his enterprise. With Noe, there is an issue of blatantly ignoring a fiduciary duty versus merely an issue re misrepresentation of goods for sale.
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<< <i>Just to play devils advocate here. Do you think that someone that is convicted of knowingly stealing a video game from BestBuy should receive the same sentence as someone that was convicted of knowingly murdering someone? >>
We're not talking about theft versus murder -- we're talking about two magnitudes of theft. Still, your point is taken.
Wrong is wrong regardless of degree, but magnitude matters in terms of appropriate punishment. Do you think someone who steals a bag of chips from 7-11 should get the same sentence as someone who steals a car or a person's life savings? I don't.
There is a question about ignorance of the buyer, etc.
I mean a dealer could put out a 1886-O morgan they say is MS-65 and sell it for $40K and claim the guy is getting a great bargain, but it of course is AU-58. You could say the buyer was just stupid, but in a rich family, it could just be someone buying a gift for someone and they trusted the dealer.
On the other hand, there are people trying to sell Playstation 3's for over 10K and even 100K or more on ebay. Is that wrong? Is it illegal? What gets me is these people try to sell something like a Playstation 3 for 50K and then they will be first in line screaming "price gouging" if they are in a hurricane area and some gas station is trying to charge 10 cents a gallon more then they "should" be. Many people who will complain if they are being taking advantage of are quick to take advantage of the situation if the tables are turned in their favor.
For the record, of course I think that the severity of someone's crimes should affect their sentence. Stolen money can usually be recovered - but a life can't. That being said, someone could commit suicide if their money was stolen and they thought they would never get it back.
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<< <i>On the other hand, there are people trying to sell Playstation 3's for over 10K and even 100K or more on ebay. Is that wrong? Is it illegal? What gets me is these people try to sell something like a Playstation 3 for 50K and then they will be first in line screaming "price gouging" if they are in a hurricane area and some gas station is trying to charge 10 cents a gallon more then they "should" be. Many people who will complain if they are being taking advantage of are quick to take advantage of the situation if the tables are turned in their favor. >>
"Price gouging" should only be illegal when we are talking about essential goods and services at a time of crisis when supply is constrained due to extreme and unusual temporary circumstances.
Since a PS3 (or a 20th Anniversary GAE set) is not an essential good or service but a *luxury item*, the free market should be allowed to work without interference, including "price gouging" and "profiteering." If we are talking about food or medicine or energy or things like that, different rules can and should apply.