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Any experience with Harbor Coin?
Prethen
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Harbor Coin is an eBay dealer and I'm wondering how reliable they are. They have NO return policy. If they sell you slabbed material, even with their bad pictures...it's yours. Yeah...I know...red flag. BUT...if you still go ahead and buy from them, what's been your experience?
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An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
What a way to do business...no return policy. Stupid!
I'm not saying you are doing that, just letting you know not all of us share your passion for return policies. You can usually protect yourself adequately before the deal with questions/answers and photos for top tier tpg coins.
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
<< <i>A seller who is confident of the quality of the merchandise he/she sells will not be afraid to have a return policy that accepts returns, because with good merchandise there won't be many returns. I don't know this seller in particular, I'm merely suggesting that some sellers who don't allow returns have that policy because some/most of what they sell is crap. >>
I think there are those who fall into that category, but usually you can spot them a mile away. Just how crappy do you expect a coin to be if, for example, PCGS graded it? On two occasions I bought dogs, and I simply sent them to PCGS, the company agreed with me on both coins and bought them from me on the guaranty and the dogs were out of the marketplace. With respect to those dealing in PCGS slabs, I find returns tied more to unrealistic expectations than anything.
Sellers who sell crap can usually be spotted a mile away -- poor feedback, no feedback, raw coins, enhanced pictures, terrible pictures, bizarre holders, sales hype about pq and upgrades, no apparent expertise in their merchandise, etc., a history of seeling to a few quirky buyers with little or no feedback or who don't deal with any mainstream sellers, etc. Usually these sellers are easy enough to spot you don't bid in the first place and therefore you don't need to return anything. Since the wise bidders drop out of the mix, that too should raise a red flag.
Realone, don't feel bad, we've all been taken on ebay at some point when we start out. You learned a lot and hopefully won't make the same mistakes again. When you do run across a nice PCGS, well photographed from numerous angles in focus and in good light, and the coin is described and the seller has expertise in the type of coin, etc., I don't think a return policy is a deal breaker.
SUPER CLEAN FOR THE GRADE WITH NO SIGN OF HAIRLINES!!! LOOKS TO BE A CAMEO IF NOT A FULL DCAM WITH ULTRA DEEP WATERY MIRRORS AND HEAVILY FROSTED DEVICES!!!
Another ebay auction for an OGH. Highly suggested that this will upgrade from 63 to 64Cam or 64Dcam. Noted as having no hairlines! Most unsual for anything less than a PF68 grade. And they claim to be conservative in their grading as well. The usual photos that give a glimmer of hope. Unfortunately "hope" doesn't get you an upgrade. Sounds like they like to leave a lot of money on the table by selling undergraded coins...with no return privilege for slabs.
Hmmm......PF65Dcam anyone?
roadrunner
I have commented on this seller before. Stay away!!
John
siliconvalleycoins.com
<< <i>A seller who is confident of the quality of the merchandise he/she sells will not be afraid to have a return policy that accepts returns, because with good merchandise there won't be many returns. >>
That doesn't negate the fact that there are plenty of buyers hoping for the score and when they don't get it they want to return the coin, even when the images were large, clear, accurate and the coin was described as an overgraded dog POS.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>Know them... talked to them... good people... >>
Well, you seem to be in quite the minority.....especially from people that have dealt with them directly.......you've bought from them and enjoyed the coin/service?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
You pay $11 for shipping, pay another $20 to ship it to PCGS & back, another $10 for designation review to get the cam designation; you just spent $40 to increase the value of your new dime by.....$30.
Yeah, that OMG OGH is a deal for sure.
<< <i>Know them... talked to them... good people... >>
Yeah.....right. Mass murderers are nice people too until you get on their business end.
<< <i>another $10 for designation review to get the cam designation >>
Which the coin won't get. The images in the auction were shot at a severe angle to enhance the cameo appearance.
Russ, NCNE
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<< <i>Know them... talked to them... good people... >>
Well, you seem to be in quite the minority.....especially from people that have dealt with them directly.......you've bought from them and enjoyed the coin/service?
I also have delt with Harbor in person, and I have never had a problem. If you don't like their auctions, don't bid... Pure and simple.
It's pretty simple... if you don't want to deal with a seller like this over the net take your money somewhere else... ?
Who cares about hype? I laugh every time someone posts a "OMG lets report this guy spamming..." I guess I've grown older and value my time a lot more to to care about some ebay seller who uses "PCGS" in his listings when he's selling a ICG coins....
Sure are a lot of people who "know nothing" compared to HC.
FB history of neutrals and negs
They're back - ebay ogh again
roadrunner
Yes, newbies and those looking for Santa may get skewered by them. However, the same group will get skewered by the next shark in the waters.
Understand that dealers don't give stay in business by being charitable, especially on Ebay. Those playing fuzzy picture roulette usually lose. Those buying old holders from dealers on Ebay usually receive low end coins. Understand the odds involved when fuzzy picture roulette gets combined with a dealer selling old holders and bid accordingly.
That is why I dont bid ANYMORE...
siliconvalleycoins.com
nice, solid, or PQ for the grade. I've seen a number of their
raw auctions and they are typically labeled PQ. The same refrain gets old. If you wade through their negs and neuts
you'll see seasoned collectors getting stiffed for nickels that were supposed to be FS and aren't, and other routine
seller "oversights." Normal feedback is not filled with quantities of late shipments, or selling your coin to someone
else after you won it, failure to reply to buyer's emails or phone calls, selling "red" coins that are average RB or BN,
not honoring return privileges, etc. He has 2 negs for that Red to RB ploy. When you use the same excuse that someone
is an inexperienced ebayer you're really reaching. Many of those seasoned collectors can grade as well as a top TPG
in their own field. Why HC sees that as a stretch is beyond me. I know HC can grade because I've never seen an
upgradeable coin from them in an OGH. Those get sent directly to PCGS or NGC. As long as the photos are fuzzy, the
bidders have to guess or go by seller's word....which imo ain't worth squat.
Understand that dealers don't give stay in business by being charitable, especially on Ebay. Those playing fuzzy picture roulette usually lose. Those buying old holders from dealers on Ebay usually receive low end coins. Understand the odds involved when fuzzy picture roulette gets combined with a dealer selling old holders and bid accordingly.
Of course, and HC is following the standard business model of getting away with stretching whenever they can. It's one thing to be
charitable, it's a different story to steer someone in the wrong direction or to plain out deceive. You be the judge.
roadrunner
<< <i> I know HC can grade because I've never seen an
upgradeable coin from them in an OGH. the roadrunner >>
I can add that after perusing their raw inventory at shows, I have never found an undergraded raw coin in their inventory. He definitely knows his grades.
Another of his (actually a husband/wife team, or at least a male/female team) ebay ploys is to sell TPG Franklins with the description "just misses FBL", when they are actually no where near FBL.
and they're cold.
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Mary
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