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Any chance this Franklin is NT?

MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 800 ✭✭✭
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PCGS called it questionable color. The luster and color on the surface look deep to me. I am certainly no expert on toning.

This is the first time that I have used the photo service. I am impressed with the images.

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Mark

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  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would agree with PCGS's call on this one....
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  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭
    I have seen many 100% natural coins that look very similar to yours. There's a very good chance that its NT but the TPG didn't want to bet on it.
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭

    In my opinion, that puppy is 100% market acceptable. At least based on the images.

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    If PCGS says it AT, DIP THE SUCKER!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    If it were mine, it would make a second trip.

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look OK to me. Seem they are bagging a lot of toned Frankies lately.
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  • GullibleNewbGullibleNewb Posts: 401


    << <i>If it were mine, it would make a second trip.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    If you still have pictures of the one that was mine Russ, you should post a pic. I think it was very similar.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The coin looks natural to me, but it's not the kind of color that turns me on. But the way things work these days, there is collector out there who will think that it's beautiful. If you really want to have the thing slabbed, try NGC, but don't be surprised if you get the same reaction.
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  • ABC123ABC123 Posts: 2,627
    Nice AT*
  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Looks AT --- sulpher and vaseline mixture used to simulate end roll toning
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  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Looks like mint set toning to me.
  • GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    quite honestly I believe that that coin has natural toning, but PCGS gest real picky when it comes to anything that is borderline AT like that.
  • pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355 ✭


    << <i>Looks AT --- sulpher and vaseline mixture used to simulate end roll toning >>



    Interesting. Learned something today.
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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,850 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would only resubmit if I felt strongly about FBL...

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  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    They are full of hoey. There is nothing wrong with that coin. All the services are running scared from toned coins right now. It looks nice.

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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    Looks ok to me too...... image
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  • MJPHELANMJPHELAN Posts: 800 ✭✭✭
    The bell lines look full to me. It may make a trip back someday.

    Thanks for the opinions.
    Mark
  • WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    PCGS called it questionable color

    Meaning the hue...the violet/blue of the obverse? I would think they could have given you a better answer than that? Leaves the door kind of wide open, no wonder your asking questions. The toning on this Frankie is not real clear cut, looks like a "better safe than sorry" body bag.

    Would I re-submit? hmmmm, get it there on a Friday.
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<Looks AT --- sulpher and vaseline mixture used to simulate end roll toning >>>
    Possibly. Does have that blue look. Being 1 sided it sure isn't mint set toning. I don't think it would holder anywhere.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • dtkk49adtkk49a Posts: 2,490 ✭✭✭
    I have a similar Frankie

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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<I have a similar Frankie>>>
    Unless I'm missing something really bad yours is red and his is blue.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    Looks fine to me. I would send it in again next month. I have noticed that PCGS has gotten very hinckey

    with purples lately. I have had mebbe three BB's this year. All were for QT and all had some purple. (And

    to PCGS's credit, all were done.)

    dtkk - I'm guessing that is a 1962 proof set?
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Being 1 sided it sure isn't mint set toning. >>



    Huh?

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  • DenverDaveDenverDave Posts: 2,164


    Looks NT to me, I have seen several just like that come out of mint sets...

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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<<< Being 1 sided it sure isn't mint set toning. >>



    Huh?

    Russ, NCNE>>>
    Wouldn't it have toning on both sides? Did I say sumpin stupid I need to edit away?

    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wouldn't it have toning on both sides? >>



    Many mint set toners are one sided.

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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    <<<<< Wouldn't it have toning on both sides? >>



    Many mint set toners are one sided.

    Russ, NCNE>>>

    Agreed. But the ones that aren't combined with the odd color of that one is what makes me question it, is what I was trying to say. I should have said "might not be" mint set tone.

    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • bushmaster8bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
    "Good dog!"

    (Just had to throw that in, 'cos my companion of 14 yrs had to be put down yesterday, so I won't be saying that phrase much anymore.)image
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  • DenverDaveDenverDave Posts: 2,164


    Bushmaster8...

    Doodle and I are so sorry to hear about your loss...

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  • morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    I dont see why they bother!!??--Mint set tonedFrankies generlly don't have this look--they're more toards golds and browns-- with blues having more blue colors especially on thr reverse---That's the nice ones--(see Franks greast tutorial on the typical colors--often golderb brown/ mottled .
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