How is SEGS for Variety Attribution?--UPDATED with more specific question.

Rampage · October 7, 2006 11:56AM

I know folks don't like their grading, but how is their variety attribution? I've got a couple of problem coins I want to send in for variety verification/attribution, but I do not want to use ANACS. And, I an mot a member of NGCs collectors club. I think SEGS has a great holder and I do not plan on selling the coins any time soon. So, that all being the case, how is their variety service? Anyone ever have any problems?

Thanks, Richard.

EDITED: My more specific question is below in the tenth post to this thread.

numisma · October 7, 2006 12:29PM

How is SEGS for Variety Attribution?

Excellent.

Rampage · October 7, 2006 12:37PM

Thanks for the reply. I thought they were pretty good considering the names I saw listed on their website.

IGWT · October 7, 2006 12:39PM

In my experience [read: limited sample size], as good as if not better than NGC and ANACS for the Shield 5c series.

mozeppa · October 7, 2006 12:53PM

i've seen where they've missed the boat on lincoln cents...more than a few times.

Conder101 · October 7, 2006 9:24PM

It probably depends on the series. On the classics they are probably about the best, but on the more modern series especially with the less mainstream varieties probably about as good as NGC or PCGS. Neither of which I hold in high regard as far as varieties go.

MrHalfDime · October 7, 2006 10:51PM

The only SEGS-holdered coin that I have ever purchased was an 1803 Draped Bust half dime. The insert read:

"1803 Large 8 EF-40"

For the year 1803, there are just three die marriages for the half dimes, two with large 8s and one rare (R6) variety with a small 8. You do not need any special knowledge or even a measuring device to determine the difference; the 8 is either decidedly larger than or smaller than the other date numerals.

This coin was actually the very rare Small 8 variety (LM-1/V3), misattributed by the TPG. Oh yes, it was also no better than a VF-30. I am not complaining, mind you. If they had not totally screwed up the attribution, I might not own this coin today. It was sold on eBay, and apparently everyone looked only at the insert and not the coin.

"Buy the coin and not the holder".

Hey, they got the date right.

koynekwest · October 7, 2006 10:53PM

I have found them to be outstanding. Their grading is better than generally assumed as well, at least in my experience.

RBinTex · October 7, 2006 10:54PM

"i've seen where they've missed the boat on lincoln cents...more than a few times."

I've got 4 out of 7 right now ANACS disagreed with.

But NEVER on a Vam

Rampage · October 7, 2006 11:04PM

Okay, let me be more specific in what I am wanting to do.

I bought four Lincoln cents from a dealer guy I know. They are all variations of the no D/weak D 1922. I have one of the coins pinned down as a Die Pair 1. Two pinned down as Die Pair 3. The foourth coin I pinned down as Die Pair 2 (which is the one with the strong reverse, etc.). However, the Die Pair 2 coin has an old cleaning, so I cannot send it to PCGS.

I could send it to ANACS, but I do not like their details grading. SEGS appears to be okay with their problem coin grading. The other three coins are problem free, but since I do not plan on selling in the near future, I just want them in identicle slabs with proper designations.

So, with regards to that, do you think they could correctly label the 3 1922 varieties?

Thanks. Richard.

PS--I only own two SEGS coins right now and both are error coins. I bought them both on eBay.

Rampage · October 7, 2006 11:06PM

Forgot to say, I bought all foour coins for $39.00. So, if the cleaned coin comes back as I think it will, then it will be a big score for me.

RichieURich · October 8, 2006 3:10AM

One thing I always look for in 1922 No D cents, Die Pair #2, is the weakness in Lincoln's coat under the 9 in the date. I think either ANACS or SEGS will get this right. This would be a great pick, Rampage!

Rampage · October 8, 2006 4:31AM

<< <i>One thing I always look for in 1922 No D cents, Die Pair #2, is the weakness in Lincoln's coat under the 9 in the date. I think either ANACS or SEGS will get this right. This would be a great pick, Rampage! >>

Thanks for the info. I will check out Lincoln's coat later tonight. It has all the other diagnostics (e.g. weak 192, strong 2nd 2, etc.).

dorkkarl · October 8, 2006 11:49PM

<< <i>How is SEGS for Variety Attribution? >>

remarkable. briggs has to be a top-10 numismatist, & he personally knows just about every other specialist there is. they are light-years ahead of pcgs, & far ahead of ngc & anacs as well.

you can pretty much take a segs attribution to the bank.

K S

How is SEGS for Variety Attribution?--UPDATED with more specific question.

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