If you could have perfectly natural looking toning applied to a coin, would you do it?
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If you could have perfectly natural looking toning applied to a white coin, would you do it? Assume that it would be 100% undetectable, would not damage the coin, would make the coin more attractive to the majority of the people and would not make the coin a monster but would make the coin look like it had been in collector's hands and carefully cared for since it's minting. Also assume that the value of the coin would triple from $500 to $1500.
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Would you put lipstick and a blonde wig on a sheep and call her Darlin'?
The beauty is most important to the owner.,...and how could you have a clear conscience knowing you painted a coin.
As for your Darlin', I know that's different. Just be careful.
As for Darlin' .............it is Friday night and payday
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<< <i>I would never do it. If I wanted a toned coin I would find a naturally toned one.
Would you put lipstick and a blonde wig on a sheep and call her Darlin'? >>
Ok, that is just wrong....plain wrong.....
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<< <i>I would never do it. If I wanted a toned coin I would find a naturally toned one.
Would you put lipstick and a blonde wig on a sheep and call her Darlin'? >>
Ok, that is just wrong....plain wrong..... >>
You got my point and hardly even KNEW it.
<< <i>When money is involved, aesthetics and ethics go out the window with many.
As for Darlin' .............it is Friday night and payday >>
You, Sir, are an unethical scoundrel.
Would you put lipstick and a blonde wig on a sheep and call her Darlin'? >>
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<< <i>When money is involved, aesthetics and ethics go out the window with many.
As for Darlin' .............it is Friday night and payday >>
You, Sir, are an unethical scoundrel.
Why? Because Darlin' would rather go out with me than you? Get over it
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It is not the only important thing, nor is it the
most important of things.
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SMotis was just helping that sheep across the fence....................at least that is what he said !!!
Yes.........do I get to choose the colors, and can I also have those nasty hairlines in the left obverse field lasered away too please?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
If you could somehow take a cleaned circulated coin and give it that "circulated cameo" Lord Morcovan termed, then I would think about it. For a mint state coin, no way.
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Toning is a type of corrosion, and that means damage!
<< <i>"would not damage the coin"
Toning is a type of corrosion, and that means damage! >>
Are you saying that all toned coins are damaged?
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<< <i>"would not damage the coin"
Toning is a type of corrosion, and that means damage! >>
Are you saying that all toned coins are damaged?
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<< <i>Would you put lipstick and a blonde wig on a sheep and call her Darlin'? >>
I prefer my sheep shaved, thank you. Baaaaahahaha!
<< <i>I voted no mostly because I prefer clean, un-tarnished coins. >>
I prefer coins that don't look like they've been messed with. Almost all old silver coins that are "blast white" (except Morgans, I guess) have been messed with. Still, if the luster is all there, it's okay.
It's the "untoned" cleaned stuff and lifeless, overdipped stuff that would look better when placed somewhere and allowed to retone for years.
<< <i>"would not damage the coin"
Toning is a type of corrosion, and that means damage! >>
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Please go back to HIgh School or a community college. You don't have a clue what
corrosion means. Corrosion is a change involving breaking the atomic bonds of a metal (iron, steel or Aluminum),
resulting on a detached surface layer no longer part of the metal suface. Rust is such a layer of
oxide. Toning of silver/gold forms a new chemical compound strongly bonded both to itself and to the
original silver-copper surface--
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By the way ALL, I mean ALL respectable sciectists use the word "change" for a reaction---NOT "damage"
Rust is only called damage if your in a sinking iron boat---similar to the state of your arguement.
for greed with most all of the higher grade proof and ms silver coins from 1950 to present to dip and strip them so they go into the services blast white to get higher grades and cameo designations and this is why there is so many problems with haze on proofs being submitted for the short period they are in flips and why there is all this milk spotting and also haze and just plain spotting anfd fugly looking coins appreaing on many high grade 69 and 70 coins and silver american eagles and other NCLT mint products while still in their holders after a short perid of time
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<< <i>If you could have perfectly natural looking toning applied to a white coin, would you do it? Assume that it would be 100% undetectable, would not damage the coin, would make the coin more attractive to the majority of the people and would not make the coin a monster but would make the coin look like it had been in collector's hands and carefully cared for since it's minting. Also assume that the value of the coin would triple from $500 to $1500. >>
of course i would, i do it frequently. most of the time, it's w/ coins i spend of course.
K S
First off it's interesting to note that, at this time, almost 40% of the almost 80 people who participated in the poll said they would do it, however, very few if anyone has admitted that they would do it.
Now to answer your question. I wouldn't do it for three reasons, here's why.
1) Some people, maybe even many, would avoid a dealer if they knew that he makes and sells AT coins. (If you do anything, people can find out about it- if you apply artificial toning to a coin, people could find out about it. Any person who helps you could rat you out, for a myriad of reasons, and then the whole numismatic community would find out about it. You could, in a moment of insanity, mistakenly admit that you artificially tone and sell coins on a message board and then the whole numismatic community would find out.)
2) The coins might not stay natural looking. While it is reasonable to infer from the question that natural looking toning would stay natural looking, the question actually doesn't say that the toning would stay natural looking. Imagine if it didn't!
3) They would soon lose their premium. If a technology were developed that could apply natural looking toning to a coin, and assume for the moment that it would stay natural looking, it is likely that whoever is going to have access to this technology is going to tone MANY, MANY coins. This means that soon, the market would be flooded with coins that look the same. Coins that appeared in auction catalogs as toned in a particular way would soon be discovered as appearing differently. People would catch on and the coins that looked natural in the way that they were being made, would no longer get this huge premium.
<< <i>Hay Anaconda, If you havn't already done it , how about answering your own question.
First off it's interesting to note that, at this time, almost 40% of the almost 80 people who participated in the poll said they would do it, however, very few if anyone has admitted that they would do it.
Now to answer your question. I wouldn't do it for three reasons, here's why.
1) Some people, maybe even many, would avoid a dealer if they knew that he makes and sells AT coins. (If you do anything, people can find out about it- if you apply artificial toning to a coin, people could find out about it. Any person who helps you could rat you out, for a myriad of reasons, and then the whole numismatic community would find out about it. You could, in a moment of insanity, mistakenly admit that you artificially tone and sell coins on a message board and then the whole numismatic community would find out.)
2) The coins might not stay natural looking. While it is reasonable to infer from the question that natural looking toning would stay natural looking, the question actually doesn't say that the toning would stay natural looking. Imagine if it didn't!
3) They would soon lose their premium. If a technology were developed that could apply natural looking toning to a coin, and assume for the moment that it would stay natural looking, it is likely that whoever is going to have access to this technology is going to tone MANY, MANY coins. This means that soon, the market would be flooded with coins that look the same. Coins that appeared in auction catalogs as toned in a particular way would soon be discovered as appearing differently. People would catch on and the coins that looked natural in the way that they were being made, would no longer get this huge premium. >>
They have not caught on yet... and it is being done... Cheers, RickO
<< <i>No. I have a conscience. >>
You stole my old avatar. You are scum.
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<< <i> If you could have perfectly natural looking toning applied to a coin, would you do it? >>
No.
On the contrary, I think people have caught on and premiums on toned coins are coming down.
they'll never be truly untoned again. Toning probably can't be completely stopped and even when the
coin has spectacular and beautiful toning, it is still on its way to being tarnished. Perhaps this is a small
consideration to a collector who will own the coin during a brief part of the time the coin looks great, but
to me, it is still a consideration.
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