Is this Morgan a VAM?

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:14AM

I have limited numismatic experience, I'm thinking it's a solid 64. The serif is missing at the base of the M in UNIM. Possible VAM?

Russ · September 14, 2006 8:21AM

Good afternoon, 96eagle.

Russ, NCNE

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:22AM

What grade would you assign this coin Russ

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:25AM

Any expert advise anyone?

Artist · September 14, 2006 8:28AM

The hits on and near the face plus the spot on the reverse lead me to conclude 64.

Rarity · September 14, 2006 8:28AM

64 because of dull luster

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:29AM

Not sure what that black spot is. When I bought the coin over 5 years ago, there was no spot, wish it would go away.

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:31AM

Obverse does have some DMPL effect, tough to capture. Coin looks much better when held.

Tonedbuff · September 14, 2006 8:33AM

64

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:34AM

I didn't think I could squeeze a 65.

tedssupply · September 14, 2006 8:38AM

If that is a 64 or 65 then what is mine?
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morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:41AM

Do you have a pic Ted?

Steve27 · September 14, 2006 8:41AM

LINK

The Morgan is a 64+

I would need to see the reverse pic of the Peace dollar to grade it.

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:43AM

I admit it's not the pretiest Morgan

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:45AM

Ted, the reverse must carry the coin

tedssupply · September 14, 2006 9:02AM

The back looks as bad. By the way your coin is a 64-65 . I just ment to compare grades.

dlimb2 · September 14, 2006 9:03AM

That is a sweet 65!

clevegreg · September 14, 2006 9:09AM

I hate to grade from pictures, but I would say 63 or 64 based on what I see.

Derek2100 · September 14, 2006 9:14AM

MS 60 due to black spot reverse.

techeff · September 14, 2006 9:16AM

64, but I could turn it into a 65 for you...

Whizzard · September 14, 2006 9:17AM

bodybag

GoldenEyeNumismatics · September 14, 2006 9:17AM

64, no doubt

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 9:31AM

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 9:33AM

Techef, how could you turn it into a 65?

MICHAELDIXON · September 14, 2006 9:36AM

64 not close to DMPL

BillJones · September 14, 2006 9:39AM

You get a 64 if you are lucky. There are MANY marks on the cheek, which takes MS-65 out right away.

And since it's not a CC dollar, you don't get any extra points for that. And to top it off, you have really obvious "carbon spot" by the eagle's head on the reverse.

No, the question is here is MS-63 or lower or MS-64.

Sorry, but you asked ...

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 9:41AM

Hello Mike, like I said the pic doesn't do it justice, wish I could capture that DMPL effect. At least it would grade a 64, and thats cool with me.

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 9:42AM

Can I remove that carbon without destroying the coin??

BillJones · September 14, 2006 9:56AM

I've seen it done, but if there is any toning on the reverse, there will be a "hole" when you lifted the carbon spot.

Look, I know it's not cool to be brutally honest around here at times. But that coin really has too many marks on the cheek to be a "real" MS-65. The oberse usually accounts for most of the grade of the coin and the revserse comes along for the right UNLESS it's got problems.

I see the services do some "soft grading" on the CC dollars, but for a common date Philly dollar, they can be as tough has nails. Dotto for some 1879-O dollars. I've seen some really nice coins in MS-62, and I feel badly for the guys who sent those coins in. "They got stiffed."

Myqqy · September 14, 2006 9:56AM

There is no way that is a dmpl, and the carbon spot brings it to a 63.....

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 9:58AM

Well I only paid 50 bucks for it 5 years ago, so I think I'm still in the green.

SamByrd · September 14, 2006 12:24PM

ms63

classiccoin · September 14, 2006 12:29PM

<< <i>MS 60 due to black spot reverse. >>

the villiage idiot has spoken

Connecticoin · September 14, 2006 12:36PM

63 due to the spot and the chatter on the cheek. Without the spot, still a 63 / shot 64.

HighRelief · September 14, 2006 12:41PM

<< <i>MS 60 due to black spot reverse. >>

This Morgan is a 64 all day long but not DMPL.

Derek2100 The Wannabe Coin Dealer should go back to grading school.

Bryan1315 · September 14, 2006 12:43PM

I do not have one to compare it to and i haven't seen mention of it on here yet, but is that a VAM110? the only reason I ask is because the VAM book only says "Broken N and M" and no description, and since I do not have this specific VAM in my collection (and have personally never seen one) I do not have one to compare it to but it definately looks like your coin has the N and M of UNUM broken on the bottom serifs. I may be wrong but that is why it was in form of a question and not an answer. As far as grade I am going to have to say it may be a 64 as well

eyoung429 · September 14, 2006 12:46PM

Definately a mid-63 low 64......definately not PL or DMPL It would look similar to these:

jgrinz · September 14, 2006 12:51PM

Its a 63 Obverse 65 reverse nets a Nice 64

Fountainhead · September 14, 2006 1:33PM

Not carbon. See that white speck in the middle of the black spot? That's salt. Your coin has salt disease, some of the silver turned to silver chloride. Happens when dealers or graders (I've complained to HRH about this!) eat fries or chips and don't clean their hands or facial hair properly afterwards. Coin looks O.K. for a while, but 6 months later you can see evidence of the crime.

Removing the salt speck will halt the corrosion process, though it may be embedded by now. Don't know how to get ride of the black spot, sorry!

ibzman350 · September 14, 2006 7:29PM

Looks lika 63 to me.

Herb

morgansforever · September 14, 2006 8:13PM

What would happen if I dunked it in some Acetone? Would it eat the salt and carbon?

DrWho · September 15, 2006 12:38AM

if I submitted this coin to PCGS, it would be an MS63. lustre breaks, carbon spot, common year, etc. and that would be 'market grade'.

Is this Morgan a VAM?

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