My New Die Cracked Buffalo :D

Leiana · August 27, 2006 11:29AM

Let's talk about coins! Is that okay?

Here's my new buffalo I won off eBay. Seller's pictures. It's a 1913D Type 1, I needed it for my Date/MM set, but there's another reason I wanted it.

Feel free to assign a grade.

And can anyone guess why I wanted it?

Thanks,

Amanda

EDITED- Because StrikeOut guessed it.

robertpr · August 27, 2006 11:31AM

Can I guess why you wanted it?

StrikeOutXXX · August 27, 2006 11:32AM

Is that a die crack running through the "Five Cents"??

Leiana · August 27, 2006 11:33AM

<< Can I guess why you wanted it?

>>

No, Robert, you already know.

-Amanda

Leiana · August 27, 2006 11:33AM

<< Is that a die crack running through the "Five Cents"?? >>

Why yes, yes it is.

-Amanda

LindeDad · August 27, 2006 11:34AM

Filled D?

Leiana · August 27, 2006 11:36AM

<< Filled D? >>

It could be, but Strikeout is correct that I wanted it for the diecrack.

-Amanda

StrikeOutXXX · August 27, 2006 11:38AM

<< 

<< Is that a die crack running through the "Five Cents"?? >>

Why yes, yes it is.

-Amanda >>

Great eye - was that noted on the eBay page, or you just spotted that by looking?

I would have probably missed it the first dozen times I looked at the graphic if you hadn't mentioned something was different about it.

Leiana · August 27, 2006 11:40AM

<< 

<< 

<< Is that a die crack running through the "Five Cents"?? >>

Why yes, yes it is.

-Amanda >>

Great eye - was that noted on the eBay page, or you just spotted that by looking?

I would have probably missed it the first dozen times I looked at the graphic if you hadn't mentioned something was different about it. >>

The crack was mentioned in the listing but the fact that it was a buffalo nickel was omitted, for some reason.

-Amanda

MrSpud · August 27, 2006 11:43AM

I'm not too experienced in grading Buffalos, but i'd say it is an EX-45

Fairlaneman · August 27, 2006 11:55AM

Vf with a major die crack on the reverse thru five cents.

200019559285.

StrikeOutXXX · August 27, 2006 12:08PM

Amanda, you run circles around my buffalo grading, but I'll take a stab. I was stuck between XF and AU50, but lacking any luster, I'll go with XF45.

Leiana · August 27, 2006 12:21PM

When grading a type one buffalo, we must remember that all these coins were well struck and should show full horn down into lower grades like "Fine." I personally think this is a VF-35, but the images make it exceedingly difficult.

-Amanda

NumisOxide · August 27, 2006 1:12PM

Nice reverse die crack.

XF40

AZLARRY · August 27, 2006 1:28PM

That Buff has a lot of character with the die crack and the filled "D". I think you are right with 35, shot at 40.

Leiana · August 27, 2006 1:48PM

<< That Buff has a lot of character with the die crack and the filled "D". I think you are right with 35, shot at 40. >>

Thanks.

I'm already in love with it.

-Amanda

HighRelief · August 27, 2006 2:18PM

Amanda: Good eye on picking out the die crack on your new Buffalo

Also, you are getting very good at grading coins

Keep up the good work YN

Shamika · August 28, 2006 4:02AM

I don't recall seeing a die crack running through FIVE CENTS before. Very, very interesting.

FYI: this coin looks easily AU50. Amanda, I'm surprised you think it's VF35.

Shamika · August 28, 2006 4:04AM

Oh, and a filled D is pretty common on Type 1's as well as 1929-D.

Tonedbuff · August 28, 2006 4:15AM

XF all day long. The horn is full, and almost sharp (you can't always count on that horn as much as the red book would indicate). Look at the overal detail. The tail is even showing a split! Buffalo's back is nice and ruffled...

Leiana · August 28, 2006 6:08AM

<< I don't recall seeing a die crack running through FIVE CENTS before. Very, very interesting.

FYI: this coin looks easily AU50. Amanda, I'm surprised you think it's VF35. >>

AU50? I didn't think it had quite enough lustre for that. I love that reverse die crack.

Thanks!

-Amanda

Shamika · August 28, 2006 6:14AM

Amanda,

You'd be surprised just how little luster this date/mm has even in mint state. Take a look in Heritage's Auction Archives and compare your coin to other XF and AU coins of this date. I'm certain you'll quickly realize what a nice coin you have.

Shamika · August 28, 2006 6:15AM

And if you've not signed up with Heritage, shame on you.

ledzep87 · August 28, 2006 6:15AM

Good job Amanda!

-YKSA

Leiana · August 28, 2006 6:26AM

<< And if you've not signed up with Heritage, shame on you.

>>

I have a Heritage account.

I paid VF money for it. The auction said it was VF.

I'll go do some research.

-Amanda

Shamika · August 28, 2006 6:32AM

You paid VF money for it? Where was I?

Leiana · August 28, 2006 6:36AM

<< You paid VF money for it? Where was I?

>>

I dunno. It was a poorly worded auction. Here.

-Amanda

MJH · August 28, 2006 7:25AM

I agree with Shamika

Its an AU50.

Leiana · August 28, 2006 7:31AM

<< I agree with Shamika

Its an AU50. >>

Cool!

Thanks.

-Amanda

Tonedbuff · August 28, 2006 7:32AM

It could go AU with a TPG (not that I'd send this in) but I'd like to see a hint of luster in an AU, though I know they don't always. I say high end XF technically, or market acceptible AU.
'Market Acceptible' what a term...

ad4400 · August 28, 2006 10:17PM

I'm with the AU crowd. Their is too much detail in the indian and buffalo's head to call this VF. Weakness in Liberty and Date is strike, not wear. I can't make up my mind how flat the hip is, but I know I've see flater hips in AU holders (perhaps a story of market grading, I'm thinking of my 27-S in particular), so I'd be inclined to go with AU. I guess one could argue whether it is a technical XF, but with the die crack and filled mint mark, a nice pickup.

lasvegasteddy · August 28, 2006 10:37PM

nice buff btw...interesting die crack too

Leiana · August 28, 2006 11:01PM

I think I understand the AU 50 assesment now. The rear-most leg is not fully struck up, so this is a weaker strike than I thought it was. I can't wait to see in in hand!

One of my better Buffs.

I thought all type ones were super strikes. Does that perhaps date this coin to a very late type one?

-Amanda

Shamika · August 28, 2006 11:24PM

<< I thought all type ones were super strikes. Does that perhaps date this coin to a very late type one? >>

Despite what Lange states, it's my belief that the Denver issues are not as well struck as those from the East coast. The San Francisco issues are the least well struck.

Without a closeup inspection, it's tough to say if this is a late die state. I suspect it's not.

The central detail on this piece suggests a good strike.

ad4400 · August 29, 2006 12:18AM

While perhaps not representitive of the Date/MM here is an example of how weak strike manifests itself on the Date and Liberty on an MS-60 Type I

AlixTCat · August 29, 2006 12:45AM

Amanda,

I only own one buffalo, 1936 MS66. Your coin has character and I agree it should be AU50. Even if the back leg is struck weakly. I like it and if you paid VF money for it, you got a nice gift. I love those poorly worded auctions. I got a nice Columbian Expo half because the auction title was Combumbian Expostion.

Keep up finding those poorly worded auctions. They can be the source of many great coins.

Jonathan

gyocomgd · August 29, 2006 1:07AM

The horn locks the grade when going beyond VF. That is almost categorically true. When the horn is that full and sharp, it's XF at least.
I feel this coin is AU50. The 13-D Type 1 is sharply struck coin, and it's 58 only if the wear is barely discernible. The rub here is fairly substantial, but not so heavy on the hip and flank as to plummet it to XF45 in my opinion. If a grader were to lean toward 45 based purely on wear, I think the nice features elsewhere would encourage him to go AU50.

Nice coin, Amanda. When you browse past and current auctions at Heritage, let me know a case where horn-rule does not apply...

Guy

Leiana · August 29, 2006 1:24AM

Hey, you're right! There's an AU 50 1913D Buffalo on Hertaige now that mine looks better than. Of course, it's also a cleaned type two.

Here's one that looks very much like mine.

Except for the cool die crack.

-Amanda

Shamika · August 29, 2006 3:41AM

My New Die Cracked Buffalo :D

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