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What the hell is CCGS???

OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    rsdoug81rsdoug81 Posts: 682 ✭✭
    Why? Do you not agree with the assigned grade? image
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certifiably Crappy Coin Grading Service.

    A joke... Mentioned in some other threads recently, if you search.
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    StrikeOutXXXStrikeOutXXX Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Why? Do you not agree with the assigned grade? image >>



    I think I'm rich because they just clued me in that I own several thousand PL coins. image

    I wonder how it would do with the PL test:
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    "You Suck Award" - February, 2015

    Discoverer of 1919 Mercury Dime DDO - FS-101
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    http://www.ccgscoins.com


    I looked them up this morning and they had a nice writeup about how they were new but had lots of grading experience and some of their coins had upgraded to PCGS but they were sure some of them wouldn't since grading is subjective (I took this as healthy humility) and then this afternoon they have a new "sold" sign on their website.

    --Jerry

    ps I found a link to an older TPG summary website that refers to CCGS as Capital Coin Grading Service but they didn't used the black plastic holders and the summary page didn't have a webpage for them.
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    It is typical of what one can do with a Coin World Holder and a Ink Jet Printer nowadays.
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    lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720


    << <i>Certifiably Crappy Coin Grading Service. BlindedByEgo >>



    Oh really?
    Tell us what you've bought from Howardsdirect that leads you to slam them.
    I've made 2 buys of Seated Quarters from them on Buy it Now auctions.
    The first one was overgraded, but the Buy it Now price was quite reasonable for what it was.
    The other item was graded very accurately, and was a good buy.
    Now before you pick apart the coin I have in the link, let me make you aware that I specialize in the Seated Quarters, with about 600 in my collection. I know this series.
    They use the Coin World shells with their CCGS insert.
    The coins I bought were fairly priced, well packaged, and were promptly shipped.
    I will buy from them again.

    Ray
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777
    Every time I would look at a morgan in a ccgs holder, it would look like doggy doo, cleaned and overgraded.....
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
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    << <i>Certifiably Crappy Coin Grading Service. BlindedByEgo >>



    Oh really?
    Tell us what you've bought from Howardsdirect that leads you to slam them.
    I've made 2 buys of Seated Quarters from them on Buy it Now auctions.
    The first one was overgraded, but the Buy it Now price was quite reasonable for what it was.
    The other item was graded very accurately, and was a good buy.
    Now before you pick apart the coin I have in the link, let me make you aware that I specialize in the Seated Quarters, with about 600 in my collection. I know this series.
    They use the Coin World shells with their CCGS insert.
    The coins I bought were fairly priced, well packaged, and were promptly shipped.
    I will buy from them again.

    Ray >>



    I have had similar experience with them. When you grade the coin, and not the slab, you can get a decent coin from them at a fair price, and their packaging and shipping turnaround cannot be faulted. I paid 63 money for a 64 coin slabbed as a 65, which if Vamworld is to be believed, is the third-known MS example of 1921-D VAM-1AD. I'm not complaining, and I'll buy from them again.
    Proudly upholding derelict standards for five decades.
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    BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Certifiably Crappy Coin Grading Service. BlindedByEgo >>



    Oh really?
    Tell us what you've bought from Howardsdirect that leads you to slam them.
    I've made 2 buys of Seated Quarters from them on Buy it Now auctions.
    The first one was overgraded, but the Buy it Now price was quite reasonable for what it was.
    The other item was graded very accurately, and was a good buy.
    Now before you pick apart the coin I have in the link, let me make you aware that I specialize in the Seated Quarters, with about 600 in my collection. I know this series.
    They use the Coin World shells with their CCGS insert.
    The coins I bought were fairly priced, well packaged, and were promptly shipped.
    I will buy from them again.

    Ray >>



    Edited to add: perhaps I would have caused less reaction if I merely said what Perry Hall stated: "Coin World slab with a home made label. Treat as if it were raw." image

    I won't slam them again. I'll let toolhaus.org do my light work:

    coin overgraded. seller responded it was priced that way- BEWARE-prosess smooth
    Buyer steph042( 40) Jul-28-06 04:09 140009555613
    Reply by howardsdirect: He asked what grade we thought it was and we told him. Priced fairly and honest Jul-28-06 07:29

    CERTIFIED COIN SEAL GROUND DOWN AND LESSER COIN SUBSTITUTED> CHECK YOUR SLABS
    Buyer harvmcdow( 182) Jul-26-06 07:54 140009836833
    Reply by howardsdirect: ARE YOU NUTS? SWITCH A 39.00 COIN???? RETURN IT Jul-27-06 08:45

    Failed to indicate FINGERMARK on coin...I get stuck w/postage BOTH WAYS!!??
    Buyer howaboutthat!( 506) Jun-19-06 07:13 8420394459

    Coin Graded at AU58 by NGC!! No a good buy on my part.
    Buyer nolan7161(private) May-20-06 22:14 8409190861

    The coin holder had a sticker on the outside that left glue all over the holder
    Buyer antiquemaritime( 68) May-16-06 08:44 8416406043

    very liberal grade-2 full letters on liberty 3 very partial-F-15 not XF-45
    Buyer coin1934( 217) May-08-06 15:58 8415587152

    It's a true MS 65 1902 O - it's an O, not a P: comments?
    Buyer gewecke2006( 65) May-03-06 12:41 8411914174
    Reply by howardsdirect: What are you saying? If you got the wrong coin return it, why a negative? May-03-06 16:38

    THIS GUY IS A JERK !! COINS ARE NOT BU -GEM , AU AT BEST !! BEWARE !! DEWARE !!!
    Buyer kirklandsports( 248) Apr-26-06 15:21 8404961284
    Reply by howardsdirect: SELLERS BEWARE THIS GUY IS NUTS AND WILL CALL AND HARRASS Apr-26-06 15:47

    COINS ARE AU AT BEST WILL NOT REFUND MONEY !! A JERK !! HOPE YOUR HAPPY !! JERK
    Buyer kirklandsports( 248) Apr-26-06 15:16 8404910099
    Reply by howardsdirect: SELLERS BEWARE REFUSED TO RETURN BUT WANTED REFUND BEWARE Apr-26-06 15:48

    No "W" mint Roosevelt Dime in Mint Set
    Buyer ejj5200( 75) Apr-25-06 11:29 8407340197
    Reply by howardsdirect: If it was missing all you have to do is call and we will send it. Why a negative Apr-25-06 17:13

    Seller changed his price higher after done sale and cancelled on me - UNFAIR!!
    Buyer snoopyg35( 285) Apr-21-06 11:02 8410460744
    Reply by howardsdirect: YOU TRIED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A SIMPLE LISTING MISTAKE. Apr-21-06 18:03

    WARNING. COIN WAS CLEANED AND SCRATCHED MS61? HORRIBLE COIN ,DON'T BUT THIS CRA
    Buyer roborick1( 848) Apr-10-06 20:12 8404526011
    Reply by howardsdirect: NOT TRUE AT ALL, IF IT WAS LIKE THAT WE WOULD HAVE SAID SO IN DESCRIPTION! Apr-11-06 09:09

    returned due to over grading got refund minus shipping both ways
    Buyer grifnlab( 687) Apr-05-06 14:07 8388243744

    Sold a AG coin as VG10, Check coin grading very very close.
    Buyer pegriff( 1278) Apr-01-06 15:32 8389794256
    Reply by howardsdirect: WE HAVE A TOTAL OF OVER 85 YEARS OF GRADING FULL TIME AND IT IS NOT AG FOR SURE Apr-01-06 18:50

    ##############BEWARE SENT TUBED ROLL OF NICKELS AND CALLED IT BANKWRAPPED
    Buyer bransvid( 60) Mar-30-06 13:27 8393934058
    Reply by howardsdirect: IT WAS A SIMPLE MISTAKE WHICH YOU COULD HAVE RETURNED AT NO COST TO YOU . Mar-30-06 16:46
    Follow-up by bransvid: Retailitory feedback to me ,Never sent credit ,Hung up on me when I called, Mar-31-06 04:42

    Coin as shown, but shipped 18 days after PayPal payment and reciept from seller.
    Buyer divide719( 128) Mar-05-06 21:01 8377530633

    Recieved the wrong coin. Shipped 18 days after PayPal payment. Not recommended.
    Buyer divide719( 128) Mar-05-06 20:59 8377530663

    took a loss on the coin upon resale
    Buyer josepha2202( 56) Feb-23-06 10:58 8378120199

    Fast ship, good service, but the CCGS coin I received is vastly overgraded.
    Buyer a66tallguy( 213) Feb-13-06 16:04 8382127992

    typoed price. lied to ebay. called my objections silly. no manners and no honor
    Buyer caph1111( 148) Feb-01-06 12:19 8379870986

    Coin far below CCGS grade..Poor communication..Returned for refund.
    Buyer suprridr( 23) Jan-26-06 20:28 8368467506

    Coin far below the CCGS grade..Poor communication..Returned for refund.
    Buyer suprridr( 23) Jan-26-06 20:26 8368467383

    ccgs over grades ms64 was au58 but returned my money lost $30 in shipping
    Buyer matts1134( 14) Jan-08-06 15:10 8364734244

    NGC Graded at MS61, wasn't expecting MS65 after receieving.
    Buyer e-liquidator$( 57) Jan-06-06 15:55 8352545978

    CD not the japanese version w/bonus track. Also a cut out-not mentioned
    Buyer damonmabe( 415) Dec-20-05 02:15 4805538142

    Item got lost in the mail. Had to get my money refunded from paypal.
    Buyer pkoss( 15) Dec-12-05 12:21 8339581970

    Fast shipping, but charged $5 to ship a single card, actual cost was $0.00!
    Buyer terp_fan99( 87) Nov-26-05 12:43 8724427293

    sold out
    Buyer gravinopq( 245) Nov-26-05 12:02 8352248597

    CCGS MS68=ANACSXF45/ Run the other way fast! great packing,quick ship ,sheesh
    Buyer i_melt_mercs( 32) Nov-23-05 18:30 8349362687
    Reply by howardsdirect: YOUR CLAIM IS FALSE. COIN WAS GEM AND YOU DIDNT RETURN IT, WHY? Nov-26-05 20:05

    Aaron cards EX at best, offered some replacements but not of stars.
    Buyer kalani314( 782) Sep-23-05 06:12 5237984960

    NEVER Received 72 Rose GAI 8 ONLY A REFUND Card RELISTED w/RESERVE over 62.00
    Buyer dana3dog( 1428) Sep-21-05 16:23 5226730059
    Reply by howardsdirect: HUMAN ERROR ON LISTING OFFERED IT FOR THE RIGHT PRICE BFR RELISTING Oct-14-05 09:07

    Was supposed to be MS63, More like MS60. Verfied by two different stores.
    Buyer 509kevinh( 8 ) Aug-01-05 12:17 8315767497

    Was not MS65. Bought same coin slabbed from another store. This was junk!!
    Buyer 509kevinh( 8 ) Aug-01-05 12:10 8315767468

    LOUSY GRADING SAID EX/EM IS VG+/ EX-, OFFERED REFUND & NEVER SENT IT. BEWARE
    Buyer markssportscards( 3580) Jul-14-05 12:58 5204913040

    Seller is mixed up. refunded insted of sending coin?
    Buyer kkshrub( 660) Jun-24-05 15:42 8310578719

    Seller did not send I am out $105 claim filed, i have nothing. Would NOT fix
    Buyer speedycoinman( 1373)
    no longer a registered user May-18-05 19:20 3970328708

    Nice coin Questining the NGC incasement
    Buyer retireddoughboy( 428) Apr-10-05 10:11 3959996871

    Did not accurately describe the condition of the case, returned for refund.
    Buyer glassman6318( 8 ) Mar-25-05 13:20 3957694024

    May try seller again.......................
    Buyer bs34011( 202) Mar-06-05 15:13 3957698558

    During grading by PCGS this coin was determined to have been cleaned.
    Buyer coinsbyoneforallforone( 145) Feb-11-05 17:07 3943747013

    COINS WERE NOT AS DESCRIBED CH BU WHAT A JOKE...ALL WITH SPOTS... NONE IN MS
    Buyer jl4fun( 6756) Oct-10-04 13:30 3932969146
    Reply by howardsdirect: YOU BETTER RETURN THE EXACT ROLL SENT IT WAS CH BU RED PERIOD Oct-11-04 17:07

    Item overgraded, returned with purchase price refund. I'm out 2 way shipping.
    Buyer kellylynn59( 382) Sep-28-04 18:11 3926311785

    Extremely Poor Roll Packing, Nickels stuffed into a Penny Roll, Below Average.
    Buyer No longer a registered user Sep-18-04 10:55 3930468532

    Coin Not as Described Ad shows picture of PCGS MS64 sent NGC MS64.
    Buyer No longer a registered user Sep-03-04 12:57 3927514669

    NO PAYMENT; NO RESPONSE TO EMAILS or INVOICES
    Seller r-code-gt( 697) Jul-26-04 20:35 5105797619

    Had a sec. opion on grading from a coin dealer , it was far from being AU50
    Buyer macbanken(private) Jun-21-04 20:11 3914318695

    As Described Slow shipping.
    Buyer carlc1( 703) Mar-15-04 13:41 2225300788

    As Described Slow shipping.
    Buyer carlc1( 703) Mar-15-04 13:41 2225300706

    Seller refuses refund. Coin did not grade at same by top grading company.
    Buyer mastermindkindofguy( 103) Jan-04-04 09:25 3050638749
    Reply by howardsdirect: we do not guarantee grades from one company to another and no one else does. Jan-12-04 07:19

    Seller refuses refund. Coin did not grade at same by top grading company.
    Buyer mastermindkindofguy( 103) Jan-04-04 09:25 3050638752
    Reply by howardsdirect: PCGS DOES NOT AGREE WITH NGC GRADES IN MANY CASES EITHER Jan-12-04 07:22

    Seller refuses refund. Coin did not grade at same by top grading company.
    Buyer mastermindkindofguy( 103) Jan-04-04 09:25 3051692179
    Reply by howardsdirect: you bought certified coins and had them 3 months and want refund???? silly Jan-12-04 07:21

    Speedy Transaction. Coin overgraded.
    Buyer integratedpwr( 17) Dec-19-03 10:55 2208458680

    some where AU!AU!AU! not BU
    Buyer ruben550( 1651) Nov-27-03 21:07 3046192866

    some where AU-CLEANED
    Buyer ruben550( 1651) Nov-27-03 21:07 3046192893

    some where AU!AU!AU! not BU
    Buyer ruben550( 1651) Nov-27-03 21:07 3046192801

    a bit slow to respond, bit slow to ship........but would use again & I have
    Buyer keg46805( 45) Nov-15-03 06:46 2199586170

    Misrepresented grading of roll, no PL's, no 65's, one unsatisfactory response
    Buyer thepepperman( 1529) Oct-03-03 20:06 3035683288
    Reply by howardsdirect: YOUR grading proved you got 750.00 worth for 510.00 thats a problem???????????? Oct-05-03 12:17
    Follow-up by thepepperman: Lied about grades, did nothing to resolve fairly, roll worth 600 at best not 750 Oct-08-03 06:25

    Shipping charges of 50% of the sale price. No way. I pay $9 for $18.5 coins?
    Buyer jack_folse( 42) Oct-02-03 07:51 3049179854
    Reply by howardsdirect: Could of waited for us to respond to your email...bit impatient don't you think Oct-02-03 09:29

    no comment
    Buyer bobbycoingo( 363) Sep-25-03 18:40 3044804828

    will not trust or bid with them again
    Buyer krazygee( 231) Aug-03-03 08:44 3035846080

    attention:look at your coins closely make sure right #,year
    Buyer krazygee( 231) Aug-03-03 08:44 3035846721

    ?100% Satisfaction Guaranteed? MISREPRESENTED Coin & NO Refund 4 Shipping Costs!
    Buyer tbi-svr( 98) Jul-30-03 10:29 3029845576
    Reply by howardsdirect: he was refunded, coin was certified, very abusive, sellers beware of this guy Jul-30-03 18:45
    Follow-up by tbi-svr: Too Bad SELLER is not certified! BEWARE of this 100% Satisfaction Guarantee GUY. Jul-30-03 19:21

    little more than ave. cir. ink, water & other spots. rips in them. not a bargin.
    Buyer gerrimae( 117) Jul-26-03 10:47 3033746169

    very happy with coin would purchase from him again,
    Buyer jj100495( 15) Jul-19-03 16:17 3032128545

    Coin was overgraded because of ding & scratch in cheek not on photo. Just OK.
    Buyer rodneydaleg( 137) Jul-15-03 18:00 3033280566

    no coins /no emails to let me know anything!!!!!!!!
    Buyer robins*attic( 608) Jul-15-03 05:22 3027041899
    Reply by howardsdirect: you neither responded to our email or paid for the coins. you are ridiculous. Jul-15-03 17:50

    No response when contacting
    Buyer 1971farmboy( 12) Jul-07-03 12:59 3031283465

    Bought product elsewhere. Wouldn't return E-mails for shipping chgs.
    Buyer monsterbuck-xing( 128) Jul-05-03 21:27 3229901167

    Too much requires postage costs!!!! Too little confidence !!!! Coin perfekt !
    Buyer wunderknabe8( 2059) Jul-01-03 01:29 3022175571

    took long time, AU coin some ware
    Buyer opnhvn4u( 170) Jun-17-03 14:24 3025754136

    BEWARE!No e-mails,no tel.call,no item received even though paid,paypal accepted!
    Buyer armand461( 23) Jun-06-03 21:02 3026212218
    Reply by howardsdirect: BEWARE! Your email don't work!!! We emailed tel. # Item shipped 6-3-03!!!! Jun-09-03 06:48
    Follow-up by armand461: others got through my email, tel # listed, received after almost 2 wks!! sorry.. Jun-17-03 21:04

    coin was overgraded, listed as VF35, a generous F12 more accurate
    Buyer marty6947( 162) Jun-06-03 10:27 3025986103

    Very Isolated by girls that have to 'ask Mr Howard' for anything. Extreemly slow
    Buyer bfday( 374) Jun-02-03 19:45 3022638380

    overgraded coins-have returned two rolls overgraded ):
    Buyer emcoent( 456) May-24-03 17:33 3020514245
    Reply by howardsdirect: THESE WERE BANK WRAPPED NEVER OPENED ROLLS, YOU ARE SILLY. May-24-03 18:10

    Coin has nicks(8) at 3 o clock on obverse. Scan shows no nicks - (touch-up ???)
    Buyer moose994( 5 ) May-17-03 18:32 3017790566
    Reply by howardsdirect: CERTIFIED COINS CAN ONLY HAVE NORMAL MARKS LIKE THIS ONE, YOUR COMMENTS ARE B S May-18-03 17:59

    CALLED SELLER ON PHONE. STATED SEND BACK AT MY EXPENSE FOR THEIR MISTAKE. WOW !
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:26 3018352181
    Reply by howardsdirect: OFFER RETURN POLICY - UNHAPPY WITH 6 COINS - NEED FOR 8 NEGATIVES??? May-08-03 14:03

    CALLED SELLER ON PHONE. STATED SEND BACK AT MY EXPENSE FOR THEIR MISTAKE. WOW !
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:26 3018352917
    Reply by howardsdirect: WE OFFER RETURN POLICY - UNHAPPY WITH 6 COINS - NEED FOR 8 NEGATIVES??? May-08-03 14:02

    CALLED SELLER ON PHONE. STATED SEND BACK AT MY EXPENSE FOR THEIR MISTAKE. WOW !
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:26 3018353253
    Reply by howardsdirect: CALLED ABOUT 2 ROLLS, NOT 8 - STORY CHANGED ABOUT HOW MANY DID NOT LIKE - RUDE May-08-03 13:45

    SELLER WANTS ME TO SEND BACK ITEMS AT MY EXPENSE FOR THEIR MISTAKE.
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:16 3017995296
    Reply by howardsdirect: WE OFFER RETURN POLICY - ONLY UNHAPPY WITH 6 COINS. NEED FOR 8 NEGATIVES? May-08-03 13:59

    THE COINS ARE NOT NICE 6 NON READABLE. SELLER SAYS SEND BACK AT MY EXPENSE
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:16 3018040595
    Reply by howardsdirect: WE OFFER RETURN POLICY - UNHAPPY WITH 6 COINS - NEED FOR 8 NEGATIVES??? May-08-03 14:01

    SELLER WANTS ME TO SEND BACK ITEMS AT MY EXPENSE FOR THEIR MISTAKE.
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:16 3018038463
    Reply by howardsdirect: DID NOT EVEN CALL ABOUT THIS LOT - ROLL WAS AS LISTED - CONDITION AV. CIRC. May-08-03 13:50

    SELLER WANTS ME TO SEND BACK ITEMS AT MY EXPENSE FOR THEIR MISTAKE.
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:16 3016679522
    Reply by howardsdirect: DID NOT EVEN CALL ABOUT THIS LOT - ROLL WAS AS LISTED - CONDITION NICE CIRC. May-08-03 13:54

    seller states send back for refund at my expense for their mistake.
    Buyer last_record_store( 3666) May-08-03 10:16 3016679894
    Reply by howardsdirect: DID NOT EVEN CALL ABOUT THIS LOT - ROLL WAS AS LISTED May-08-03 13:52

    OK
    Buyer home142( 26) May-03-03 03:55 3016362017

    Coin as promised. *Paid $7 shipping on $5 coin. They did advertise the shipping
    Buyer stvlws94cx( 212) Apr-11-03 19:08 3014565541

    I expected PRIORITY MAIL when spending $7.00 S&H for 1 coin. He paid under $2½.
    Buyer haddieman( 910)
    no longer a registered user Apr-10-03 13:30 3015439072

    had no interest in mutual resolution before leaving neg feedback
    Buyer coinrt( 7 ) Apr-09-03 18:47 3015262834

    Very poor lot of Wheats 500, 488 Mostly 50'S , 3 below 1940, and 9 Damaged.
    Buyer hooligan225( 530) Mar-11-03 06:33 3010757368

    item was fine,but poor communication (actually none); did not respond to e-mails
    Buyer liebermh( 109) Mar-08-03 08:11 3008865263
    Reply by howardsdirect: Sent Congrat email,rec'd his email,shipped coin,item was fine - what is problem? Mar-10-03 08:26

    Auction won on Jan 3. Items arrived on March 6. Apparend no internat. experience
    Buyer h.d.schuck( 547) Mar-06-03 10:26 751419892
    Reply by howardsdirect: shipped 1/16/03 not our fault USPS took until 3/6/03 to deliver perfect goods. Mar-10-03 08:45

    Perfect goods, perfect packed. Communication after threat with attorney.
    Buyer h.d.schuck( 547) Mar-06-03 10:26 751415750
    Reply by howardsdirect: shipped 1/16/03 not our fault USPS took until 3/6/03 to deliver perfect goods. Mar-10-03 08:45

    Good communication, nice people, coins not Gem BU as described
    Buyer bobbisoxer1230( 748) Feb-27-03 16:00 3304676178

    THEY DO NOT RETURN MY PHONE CALLS
    Buyer swanmitch( 232) Feb-24-03 06:08 753729290
    Reply by howardsdirect: Responded to every email, there was no phone call to return - payment never made Feb-25-03 09:04

    Not quite what I had expected to get!
    Buyer wolf22r( 743) Feb-17-03 00:32 1986174340

    Item A+, communications F. This works out to be a neutral.
    Buyer sparkycoyle( 156) Feb-10-03 05:30 2606263528

    Won the bid but could not get them to send me payment info. What's up with that
    Buyer stonemountainsales( 1852) Jan-27-03 10:13 3306481110
    Reply by howardsdirect: WE EMAILED YOU. WE HAVE PHONES AND ARE A FULL TIME BUSINESS. WHATS UP WITH YOU?? Jan-27-03 18:33

    BEWAREwax packs resealed, got 26 Mike Browns out of 72 cards, JUNK! NO REFUNDS!
    Buyer greekphilosopher( 433) Jan-17-03 16:16 1984858745
    Reply by howardsdirect: THE BOX WAS FROM A SEALED CASE WE OPENED. YOUR ACCUSATION IS NOT APPRECIATED Jan-18-03 17:25
    Follow-up by greekphilosopher: See same complaint from different buyer 11/27/02; 74 nonpositive feedbacks? Jan-20-03 12:29

    NICE COIN, EXPENSIVE SHIPPING, CHARGED $7.00 ACTUAL $2.59 not even priority mail
    Buyer kidstuff11( 76) Jan-15-03 18:40 3301047769

    no response to numerous emails for total payment due- was xmas gift for son-
    Buyer ladyjarb( 12) Dec-21-02 09:43 738866023
    Reply by howardsdirect: we emailed you and if you didnt get it we are a full time business with phones Dec-21-02 20:25

    car arrived "A" OK, but poor communications & slow ship
    Buyer hangman1941( 90) Dec-05-02 16:10 735124746
    Reply by howardsdirect: payment rec'd 11-25, item shipped 11-27, did you forget it was a Holiday!!!!!!!! Dec-12-02 10:55
    Follow-up by hangman1941: I didn't forget Holiday, 6 days to answer email & full mail box not acceptable!! Dec-22-02 18:25

    Be careful. This seller subsidizes his rent by overcharging on shipping.
    Buyer drstocks1( 73) Dec-03-02 08:22 803101037
    Reply by howardsdirect: OUR SHIPPING AND PACKAGING ARE THE BEST, READ OUR FEEDBACK. OUR FEES ARE LISTED Dec-03-02 19:29

    Over a dozen Tim Fox cards out of 36 'unopened' two card packs?
    Buyer ken_m( 498) Nov-27-02 12:04 1863375756
    Reply by howardsdirect: you imply we searched the packs and we resent that totally unfounded remark. Nov-27-02 17:07
    Follow-up by ken_m: Box is 25 years old. I'm not accusing anyone. I'm not happy though. Jan-14-03 12:15

    CHARGE...$7 SHIPPING FOR A $3 ITEM...........NOT VERY HAPPY........
    Buyer pokeypapa( 389) Nov-01-02 08:39 1864259746
    Reply by howardsdirect: charges were clearly posted, our costs for great shipping are the same on all Nov-01-02 16:54

    coin corroded, not mentioned, out $11 s&h ask metallurgist abt 90% and corrosion
    Buyer eichsgap( 1154) Sep-29-02 11:55 1377069563

    my coin was sold to someone else!!!!!1
    Buyer glyncroft41( 87) Sep-17-02 07:55 1374996089
    Reply by howardsdirect: you were called that a mistake was made and you said no problem, now this??? Sep-17-02 18:58

    Seller grades his own coins. Took time to refund money
    Buyer zahava1( 115) Aug-16-02 05:10 1368664968
    Reply by howardsdirect: OF COURSE I GRADE MY OWN COINS, ARE YOU FOR REAL? REFUND WAS INSTANT AS ALWAYS Aug-16-02 18:36

    DOSENT LIKE TO LEAVE FEEDBACK FOR SELLERS. TOO BIG HAS NO TIME FOR US
    Buyer kissmethod( 78) Jul-13-02 07:41 1360773608

    BEWARE *** I won ms65-67 roll. They sent ms60 roll. They refused to refund S&H.
    Buyer donniem1( 1152) Jul-12-02 11:11 1353675669
    Reply by howardsdirect: 1964 dimes only ms60??? you need to learn how to grade coins Jul-12-02 20:28

    They didn't even have the roll of 58P that i won, sent 59D. Did not refund$7.00
    Buyer donniem1( 1152) Jul-10-02 16:40 1348579615

    Desc. MS-63 with scratch in photo, actually was a long deep gouge, beware.
    Buyer reidapplequist( 86) Jun-24-02 21:40 1356869649
    Reply by howardsdirect: scratch was listed and you can return it no problem so why the complaint? Jun-25-02 19:56

    HORRIBLE SELLER!!!!! SCREWED ME BIG TIME!!!!! TAKE YOU MONEY ELSEWHERE!!!!!
    Buyer husbandno4( 25)
    no longer a registered user Jun-17-02 13:32 1824181031
    Reply by howardsdirect: WE WILL FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST YOU FOR THIS UNWARRANTED UNDESERVED REMARK Jun-17-02 18:35

    Never got back to me to arrange for me to pay for card.
    Buyer uptown028( 430) Jun-13-02 17:01 1830825743

    Overgraded morgan roll with cleaned coins. Had to eat shipping both ways
    Buyer cointagous( 621) May-05-02 17:43 1345463607
    Reply by howardsdirect: I SOLD THIS ROLL YESTERDAY FOR MORE THAN YOU PAID TO A 20 YEAR VETERAN DEALER May-05-02 18:29

    Very baggy uncs morgans not gem as described. Had to eat shipping both ways.
    Buyer cointagous( 621) May-05-02 17:43 1345467638
    Reply by howardsdirect: I SOLD THIS ROLL TO A 20 YEAR VETERAN DEALER YESTERDAY FOR MORE THAN YOU PAID May-05-02 18:28

    $7 too high for ship/handling ALTHOUGH PLAINLY ADVERTISED. quick ship.
    Buyer agress7( 225) Apr-22-02 08:29 1342141674

    never responded to e-mail about mailing info
    Buyer valleyvistagolf( 44) Apr-11-02 05:02 1339450839
    Reply by howardsdirect: did you ever think we may not have received the email? why didnt you call? Apr-11-02 17:23

    Good coin but S&H fees way too high!
    Buyer inbuyer( 227) Mar-28-02 06:47 1337941107

    FAST TRANSACTION, BUT ITEM WAS NOT AS DESCRIBED(NOT AN "MS63")
    Buyer dersstotenkopf-nc( 71) Mar-16-02 18:16 1337257656
    Reply by howardsdirect: ITS OK TO RETURN,BUT THE COIN WAS CERTIFIED MS63 BY PCI AND IS 63 Mar-18-02 06:18

    Item Description Did Not Say This Cion Was Cleaned ,Refund Was Given.
    Buyer jimcimbluebonnet( 414) Mar-15-02 15:18 1331447922

    Same Here, Got A Refund, But Lost $ On Postage And Ins. Both Ways
    Buyer jimcimbluebonnet( 414) Mar-15-02 15:18 1331450412

    Coin was cleaned but ok
    Buyer timhardad( 445) Mar-13-02 15:59 1316826395

    expensive postage charges!!!
    Buyer theadmiralg( 79) Mar-07-02 20:23 1329105205

    Never answered e-mails.Slow in shipping,6 days to ship coin. However Great Coin.
    Buyer sfc702( 38) Mar-04-02 20:31 1332779566

    Item arrived promptly, thank you
    Buyer betzner( 510) Mar-04-02 17:27 1333269500

    Nice coins, but beware of high shipping charges
    Buyer ghogg( 431) Feb-20-02 18:56 1324088228
    Reply by howardsdirect: our fee is posted on every item. quality shipping, packaging, service costs Feb-21-02 16:41

    Seller charges excessively for shipping. Others $2-$4, They want $7. Careful!!
    Buyer bearcreek70( 210)
    no longer a registered user Feb-08-02 17:22 1323681707
    Reply by howardsdirect: OUR FEE IS POSTED ON EVERY ITEM. READ OUR THOUSANDS OF POSITIVE FEEDBACKS. Feb-09-02 18:39

    Coin O.K. No grading with item. My max bid became their first bid..deceiving me
    Buyer beautiful*loser( 326) Feb-02-02 15:28 1320735209
    Reply by howardsdirect: there was only one bid on this, yours. so how could we have bid against you????? Feb-02-02 18:35

    Coin ok shipping was high (My fault I didn't check shipping cost)
    Buyer tjcoins( 248) Feb-01-02 22:33 1310231578

    Nice Item, Good Service but Shipping Charges are too high!!!!
    Buyer nygiants20( 506) Jan-24-02 18:09 1060457190

    coin cleaned, returned: Received refund after numerous emails/ 1 phone call.
    Buyer captainpuget67( 1855) Jan-10-02 20:47 1298480157

    coin was AU; not worth returning/See: 1298480157/Stick w/slabs on this dealer!!
    Buyer captainpuget67( 1855) Jan-10-02 20:47 1298481804

    still no response from seller-two different transactions-would like my coins-
    Buyer coinspaubet( 1608) Dec-24-01 15:58 1310217452
    Reply by howardsdirect: Sorry, office was closed it was a HOLIDAY! You need to pay before we ship! Dec-26-01 14:03

    no response yet from seller-would like to rec.coins-please let us hear
    Buyer coinspaubet( 1608) Dec-24-01 15:50 1310237358
    Reply by howardsdirect: Sorry, office was closed it was a HOLIDAY! You need to pay before we ship! Dec-26-01 14:04

    coin is XF+ but has been cleaned. good detail and in decent shape!
    Buyer bigsnark( 260) Nov-15-01 06:20 1289154242

    Nice coin, but NO MENTION of damage in description. Did offer refund.
    Buyer mongoose49( 368) Nov-09-01 05:35 1283250838

    never received coins.
    Buyer carpcarson( 12) Oct-01-01 17:20 1264748213
    Reply by howardsdirect: Coins were dlvd 9-6-01 and signed by someone named Gallego, ASK THEM!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct-02-01 11:51

    Sent 14 circ coins none BU as stated refunded yes, no apology, was intentional
    Buyer 25c( 38) Sep-21-01 17:38 1262791223
    Reply by howardsdirect: OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GRADING BUT AT TIMES LIKE THIS WHO CARES? Sep-21-01 19:57

    Coin returned from PCGS as cleaned. 2nd coin from this dealer cleaned.
    Buyer time2buy( 909) Sep-05-01 07:03 1256632250
    Reply by howardsdirect: we do not clean coins ever, if it was it was long ago and you had a return priv. Sep-05-01 19:37

    coins are over graded but worth the price paid.
    Buyer krywolf( 806) Aug-24-01 09:56 1263394969

    1st coin not coin bid on, replacement coin has solder damage not a MS-62/64=+whi
    Buyer jttinney( 416) Jul-28-01 13:25 1249812413
    Reply by howardsdirect: AFTER 31 YEARS OF FULL TIME DEALING I GUARANTEE THERE IS NO SOLDER Jul-28-01 18:34

    Paid w/Visa on 7/12-I wanted Registered Mail, not UPS-So not shipped till 7/18!
    Buyer dethexpert( 252) Jul-24-01 12:28 1252614550

    ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    Buyer toothman99( 443) Jul-20-01 14:35 1239824975

    Nice cards but not quite what I hoped for. I could not bet the price.
    Buyer wldbll2000( 44) Jul-20-01 09:40 1143466631

    have 3 items, 1230669010,1230669601,1230927134 would like to pay VISA email amt
    jbmcleod( 22) Apr-28-01 13:15 1230669010

    not MS64, more like 61/62 - good shipping - will deal again but watch closer
    paintman-2003( 172) Apr-22-01 11:47 1226321291

    Coin not XF-AU, more like VF- good shipping - will deal again but watch close
    paintman-2003( 172) Apr-22-01 11:40 1225806570

    Roll MS-60, not 65 or original. Offered me refund,but I lost business & time.
    mcintirecoins( 907) Apr-17-01 13:14 1225804647

    7.00 s&h not mailed for 6 days after payment & received at 15 days.poor service!
    silver-mine( 59) Apr-10-01 14:27 1222283754

    Nice coin. Not au. Registered delivery. AAA
    deano2000( 439) Mar-24-01 15:03 1204382160
    Reply by howardsdirect: COIN WAS LISTED AS XF-AU, NOT AU , COMPLAINT IS THEREFORE WRONG.

    Graded ms63-looks 61. Failed to mention rim nicks not shown on scan.
    quickpayfastship2001( 413) Feb-05-01 12:14 1209027751

    coin has 1/4 scratch plus edge bruise not discribed in discription
    collector536uaf( 94) Jan-09-01 06:49 477286114
    Reply by howardsdirect: Bag Mark(scratch) was in the description!+++He Rec'd full Refund-no ?'s asked!

    t;his deadbeat failed to respond to numerous emails after my high bid.
    geobarry( 42) Jan-04-01 20:10 1203416263
    Reply by howardsdirect: What a Liar!++Sent 1 e-mail++Payment rec'd 12-29, shipped 1-2-01, never called

    coin overgraded but price paid was fair; coin sent promptly
    c-ball1( 176) Dec-08-00 20:04 499803889

    $7 shipping? I should have paid attention to item description.
    steveneric( 180) Apr-25-00 11:45 298932446

    Shipment very fast. Item in perfect condition.Poor communication before shipping
    dimarc( 19) Mar-20-00 18:28 266463837

    These people are the WORST people I have ever delt with on ebay,over 130 deals
    bigg77( 824) Feb-18-00 14:51 242888593
    Reply by howardsdirect: Didn't give us a chance to do a tracer, UPS had a problem, beyond our control!!!

    Morgan dollar was overgraded by seller. It was sold as MS-64 but was MS-61
    berdel( 421) Feb-17-00 07:46 251219521
    Reply by howardsdirect: We offer full refund, no ?'s asked, didn't give us a chance to refund his money!

    GoodTransaction except for S/H. Bought"PeaceDollar"Chg'd.$7.00 for $2.28 Postage
    tonis35( 59) Dec-06-99 07:44 185201628

    Beautiful Morgan dollars in roll, but with two tarnished end pieces not shown.
    will4900( 71) Dec-01-99 00:48 196598756

    THE ACTUAL FIGURE IS ABOUT 3", STILL VERY NICE
    cabowabo1963( 81) Nov-11-99 04:27 189919845

    I sent him certified check for item I bought -never got it-didnt returncall 1/99
    jskmss( 26) Sep-11-99 19:52 46109501
    Reply by howardsdirect: Auction ended 12-08-98, never rec'd check, no response to e-mails or phone calls

    A little slow at getting me the card, but other than that everything was perfect
    giant870( 317) Aug-07-99 19:17
    Reply by howardsdirect: Payment rec'd 7-23, item was shipped 7-27, our office is closed on weekends.

    Sent me a similar card to the one described-refused to answer my inquiry.
    baccivat( 287) May-17-99 05:13 93605324
    Reply by howardsdirect: a bit impatient, e-mailed me Friday 5-14 but I didn't get it till Monday 5-17,


    Total: 163 Negative or Neutral

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    I have bought a couple CCGS Morgans and they have been graded correctly and one everyone thinks is undergraded (I took it out of the CW slab and posted pictures on a forum and everyone agreed it was either a PQ coin and correctly graded or undergraded) So if you know what you are doing you can find some pretty good deals in a CCGS holders but you have to remember the old saying "Buy the coin not the holder" . Another thing to remember is all his pictures are scans which do not show the luster of a coin and you have to also consider that when looking at his auctions
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    << <i><a href="http://www.ccgscoins.com">http://www.ccgscoins.com</A&gt;


    I looked them up this morning and they had a nice writeup about how they were new but had lots of grading experience and some of their coins had upgraded to PCGS but they were sure some of them wouldn't since grading is subjective (I took this as healthy humility) and then this afternoon they have a new "sold" sign on their website.

    --Jerry

    ps I found a link to an older TPG summary website that refers to CCGS as Capital Coin Grading Service but they didn't used the black plastic holders and the summary page didn't have a webpage for them. >>





    I hope we can find out who the new owners are. That will be fun to see if they are household names.



    Jerry
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    I have bought lower grade coins from them and have been very happy. One needs to buy the coin and ignore the plastic like always! image
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    << <i>Oh really? Tell us what you've bought from Howardsdirect that leads you to slam them. >>



    lathmach, your an educated buyer, while the dealer may have sold you a decent coin, the slab end of the service is less than forthright in accurate grading.

    While a serious collector such as yourself can see through the slab label and actually grade the coin, the inexperienced first time buyer who lacks grading wisdom is going to be taken serious advantage of.

    Often, before people buy the reference books and devote lots of time in study to the particulars of grading of that series, they may buy a coin or two first. I would hate to think that their initial purchase of a certified coin was in a CCGS slab?
    "To know the road ahead, ask those coming back"
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    coinandcurrency242coinandcurrency242 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭✭
    more fraud!!!

    Positive BST as a seller: Namvet69, Lordmarcovan, Bigjpst, Soldi, mustanggt, CoinHoader, moursund, SufinxHi, al410, JWP

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    Did you know they are also doing gsa coins? They put a little sticker on it.
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    I've actually bought a CCGS coin, a seated dime. It may have been *slightly* overgraded in my opinion, but not by too much and still great a buy for the money I paid.

    Again -- it goes back to evaluating the *coin*. I wouldn't go so far as to say that 'CCGS' is usually very accurate because I haven't seen enough of their coins...but I have seen a few that seem decent for the stated grade, and there's a good chance you can pick them off at a good price. I don't really consider their grade. I look at the coin, whether I like it and what I'd pay for it.

    You can sometimes find nice coins in the "third world." I bought an 1854-O seated dime graded "UGS" VF-35. I think the grade was accurate and certainly sold at a considerable discount to a PCGS or NGC coin. (For what it's worth, it's cracked out and in my Dansco Seated Dime album.) I agree that the potential for the inexperienced to get burned is there, though, and that's unfortunate. It just goes to show that we've put too much emphasis on a slabber's opinion that many people don't learn how to evaluate coins on their own.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,026 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it is another plastic housing company.
    Crack out a few PCGS coins and send them in image
    See how close they get !

    ~tongue in cheek is almost like foot in mouth~
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    Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536


    << <i>What the hell is CCGS??? >>


    A set of initials that has been used by no less than FIVE different grading services.
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    lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720


    << <i>

    << <i>What the hell is CCGS??? >>


    A set of initials that has been used by no less than FIVE different grading services. >>




    When I start my grading service, it's gonna be BGS.
    Braille Grading Service.
    It'll be unique. I'll hire nothing but blind guys, and since they've developed a good sense of touch, they'll do their grading by feeling all the details of the coins.
    I'll market the coins to people that are always asking if the grader was blind that graded his coin.
    The way to succeed in the coin grading business is to find a niche market.

    Ray
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,671 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What the hell is CCGS??? >>


    A set of initials that has been used by no less than FIVE different grading services. >>



    Its probably a popular set of initials since its close to PCGS and they are hoping people will confuse the two companies.





    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.

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