My New Indian

MS70Dreams · August 15, 2006 10:19AM

Hey All

I am pretty new to the boards and to serious coin collecting. I collect PCGS slabbed Roosevelt dimes, raw Indian Heads and am working on a raw U.S. basic type set.

I just bought an Indian for my type set and was wondering if you all could share your opinions about the grade. I am studying real hard to hone my grading skills, but would like some input from other more experienced collectors.

Thanks
Mike

Whizzard · August 15, 2006 10:21AM

Well, today might not be the best day for a "Guess the Grade" IHC thread, but ok,

I'lll go 65 on that beauty.

Cheers, Mark

Cause its not PURPLE!!!!!

Leiana · August 15, 2006 10:22AM

I grade that Very Beautiful.

Oh, and 65+.

-Amanda

a039 · August 15, 2006 10:26AM

Welcome, great coin and wonderful picture!

Russ · August 15, 2006 10:27AM

The color looks funky.

Russ, NCNE

123cents · August 15, 2006 10:28AM

Welcome Mike. I would say MS-65.

MS70Dreams · August 15, 2006 10:39AM

Thanks all for the quick response and welcomes.

<< The color looks funky. >>

- Russ if you would be so inclined, what do you mean by funky? I am still learning.

Thanks
Mike

Russ · August 15, 2006 10:45AM

<< - Russ if you would be so inclined, what do you mean by funky? I am still learning. >>

It looks too pale for a copper IHC. Looks like it may have been cleaned.

Russ, NCNE

Russ · August 15, 2006 10:52AM

Here are some comparison coins:

Russ, NCNE

obversity · August 15, 2006 10:55AM

<< Russ if you would be so inclined, what do you mean by funky? I am still learning. >>

I'm (obviously) not Russ and I can't speak for him but I'll add that it looks a little overexposed which could dramatically change the tone of the coin. Nice coin though!

MS70Dreams · August 15, 2006 10:57AM

Thanks for the reply Russ

Are there any other ways to tell if the coin has been cleaned? This is the first coin I bought raw on the net; I don’t even have it in hand yet. I have seen some blatant cleaning jobs that look like crap. I never would have guessed this one could have been cleaned, the surfaces and color are very even in tone. I guess this naive country boy better wise up fast.

Thanks
Mike

Whizzard · August 15, 2006 11:03AM

It looks like the white balance on the sellers pics. Could you image it again once you have it and let us know your impressions of the coin?

Russ · August 15, 2006 11:04AM

<< Are there any other ways to tell if the coin has been cleaned? >>

If it was an abrasive cleaning it will have tiny little hairlines all over it, or perhaps "swirls". If a chemical cleaning, the color will be the tell.

PS: Yeah, it could also just be a crappy pic. Copper is tough to image and get the color correct.

Russ, NCNE

coinguy1 · August 15, 2006 11:04AM

If the color is true to life I believe it to be un-original, as if the coin has been dipped or lightly cleaned. Compare it to the ones Russ posted images of and to others certified by PCGS. I think that the color is just a bit too pink/off to be original.

MS70Dreams · August 15, 2006 11:16AM

I guess I just need to wait until I get the coin in hand to make any further judgements. I should probably hold off on buying a Flying Eagle from the same seller if there is a chance that what they are selling is not original.

Thansk
Mike

lordmarcovan · August 15, 2006 3:44PM

I too am a little suspicious of the color, but otherwise like it.

MS70Dreams · August 31, 2006 10:05PM

<< It looks like the white balance on the sellers pics. Could you image it again once you have it and let us know your impressions of the coin? >>

I finally have my new IHC in hand and the pictures do not do this coin justice. I think the white balance was way off and washed the color out. The coin is a darker chocolate brown and the areas in the feilds that look washy are bits of red mint luster peeking through. As a collector who likes brown copper I am happy with the coin.

I hope to get some of my own pics of the coin soon, but I am still learning how to take coin pics.

Thanks
Mike

airplanenut · August 31, 2006 11:07PM

Russ said it first--I don't think the coin is original.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · September 1, 2006 3:22AM

nice coin, I like it a lot

mgoodm3 · September 1, 2006 3:48AM

ALmost looks proof to me. smooth fields, textured relief. Not sure about the rims.

JRH · September 1, 2006 3:56AM

I bought two that looked a lot like that one in color and sent them to NGC for grading. Both came back "body bagged" as cleaned. Hard to tell from photos, but surfaces may not be original. Otherwise looks very UNcirculated (64-65).

MS70Dreams · September 1, 2006 6:11AM

Is there a possibility it was stripped naked and then retoned using something like Dellar's Darkener?

Does anyone have a pic of some copper that has been know to be retoned using a darkener they can post for comparison?

I am going to a coin show in the morning that I have been looking forward to for a while and now I am getting a little coinshy.

originalisbest · September 1, 2006 6:27AM

I would say it might be AU, with a washed-out pic. Can't tell what luster if any is there. At the show, don't be coin shy - looking at a LOT of coins, in and out of slabs, is the one true way to learn how to grade them.

My New Indian

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