When I was drinking I would say all kinds of stupid stuff I would never say or even think of sober- the stuff he said and being as drunk as he was is pretty meaningless from the state of mind he was in- he say's stuff like this sober then I might never see his movies again like that freako insane Liberal actor Baldwin..........
Science can give no firm answer on whether Mel Gibson believes the anti-Semitic remarks that were attributed to him after his DUI arrest, addiction experts say. "Alcohol is not a truth serum," says psychologist G. Alan Marlatt, director of Addictive Behaviors Research Center at University of Washington-Seattle. Because alcohol lowers inhibitions, it can lead people to say what they feel at the moment, Marlatt says. But in Gibson's case, "it may or may not indicate his true feelings."
Gibson's supposed rant about Jews does indicate that the topic has meaning to him, says addiction psychiatrist Bryon Adinoff of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas. "Clearly, Jews are on his mind. He made The Passion of the Christ, and many reacted negatively to how Jews were depicted. Now we have a war going on in the Middle East. It's something that's on his mind, or it probably wouldn't come out when he had some alcohol," Adinoff says.
The remarks attributed to Gibson "could reflect pent-up frustration and anger at how his life has changed since he made the movie," says psychologist William Iacono of the University of Minnesota-Minneapolis. "People can lash out when they're drunk, and we don't know how deeply they believe what they're saying."
But Iacono says such remarks about Jews are unlikely to be random, "to come out of nowhere." Although science can't determine whether the star spoke what he felt, it's reasonable to think the remarks have some kernel of truth for Gibson, he says.
Yes. He is just a man like anyone else. He will tend to get drunk occasionally and maybe even say dumb things our of frustration. Just because he is a well known actor doesn't mean he is perfect like the hollywood types who so hypocritically think he should be. People need to lay off of Mel and move on with their lives.
<< <i>Yes. He is just a man like anyone else. He will tend to get drunk occasionally and maybe even say dumb things our of frustration. Just because he is a well known actor doesn't mean he is perfect like the hollywood types who so hypocritically think he should be. People need to lay off of Mel and move on with their lives. >>
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<< <i>Yes. He is just a man like anyone else. He will tend to get drunk occasionally and maybe even say dumb things our of frustration. Just because he is a well known actor doesn't mean he is perfect like the hollywood types who so hypocritically think he should be. People need to lay off of Mel and move on with their lives. >>
I gotta agree here. He isn't the first person to get drunk and run off at the mouth and won't be the last. Hell, I have a couple real good rages in my past. I was always trying to be the perfectionist, especially at drinking, I needed to do it better than anyone else. I know there are some times I went way over the edge and there are probably worse ones too, I just don't remember those.
I will accept MG's apology...if he buys me a coin.
Actually, a sizable contribution to the Anti-Defamation League and some outreach work on its behalf would probably go a long way to improve MG's standing in the Jewish community. Talk is cheap. But so am I, and I will still settle for a coin.
Aw rite...let's politicize the coin forum. Know any good Zoroastrainian jokes? So what about Chinese occupation of Tibet...should we support this or start a war with the Chinese? What would MrXing do (WWXD)?
<< <i>Not to excuse MG whatsoever but what is it about getting intoxicated on tequila that seems to bring the absolute worst out in an individual?...
I've always been curious about the viciousness of a tequila drunk. >>
Excellent question, and one I have some experience with. My reaction is the opposite. I LOOOOOVE everybody when drinking tequila. I'm the happiest drunk around, and not the staggering, obnoxious, slurring his speech drunk, either. It's like an adrenaline shot.
I refuse to drink "brown liquor" because it makes me hateful. Despise the stuff. Odd chemistry indeed.
I'd deal with Mr. Gibson...everyone makes mistakes I believe, especially under the influence of alcohol or other such drugs. Whether he is a bigot or not isn't a matter to me. I'm interested in the coin and not the man's politics.
Even bigots, trash, liars, thieves, and good people have the right to say what they want to as long as they are within these borders. I do not think he is an American by citizenship status, but Freedom and Liberty to say what you want is supposed to apply to anyone within the borders of the USA.
No, I'm not Jewish but I've worked for a Jewish gentleman before. He was the best boss I've ever had, treated me very well and paid more than I've earned since or before. I have ZERO against Jewish people. Mel didn't speak for everyone, just himself.
<< <i>he apologized not because he was sorry, just sorry he got caught and ran his mouth, he meant every word he said.
He is lucky that "sugar t**s" didn't kick his a*s. If some black or hispanic guy called a high ranking female officer that they would be pick up his teeth off the pavement. >>
Gimme a break. You don't know what he thought. I've said lots of stupid stuff while drunk (mostly about lovely women that I would never think or say when sober, mostly )
The point is he was big enough to apologize.
And who was the __________ person that called this news worthy in the first place. CNN? PLEASE! That's the problem with our great country. Stupid sh!t like this wasting people's time!
When I was in college I was was a pretty big guy and a bit of a tough guy too, I was piss drunk (not making any sexist or other slurs) but did shoot my mouth off a to a defensive back on the football team.
What happened? He kicked my ass as well he should have. I did not do it again.
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<< <i>I refuse to drink "brown liquor" because it makes me hateful. Despise the stuff. >>
How dare you come on this board and spew your "colorist" hate-mongering. Alcohol should be judged solely on its own merit, not on the basis of its color!
I remember Mel Gibson's family back in 1968 when he was 12 years old and I was 15 years old.
They lived in the next town (Washingtonville, NY) next to where my father worked. Nothing outwardly obvious about that family about being anti-semitic at the time and I happen to be Jewish.
I believe he played Little League baseball as well.
If I am not mistaken, I believe he moved to Australia, the following year or two.
<< <i> He is lucky that "sugar t**s" didn't kick his a*s. If some black or hispanic guy called a high ranking female officer that they would be pick up his teeth off the pavement. >>
OH REALLY? And what makes you an expert on the level of professionalism of a law enforcement officer towards a person Black or Hispanic ethnicity? Or are you just projecting yourself in the role using the above as a mask for your own frustration?
edited to read "a person of Black or Hispanic ethnicity".
<< <i> He is lucky that "sugar t**s" didn't kick his a*s. If some black or hispanic guy called a high ranking female officer that they would be pick up his teeth off the pavement. >>
OH REALLY? And what makes you an expert on the level of professionalism of a law enforcement officer of Black or Hispanic ethnicity? Or are you just projecting yourself in the role using the above as a mask for your own frustration? >>
I think you misread the post. He wasn't talking about a black or Hispanic COP.
For the record I am not even slightly prejudice. I could care less of the color of a man's skin or his place of birth. There is enough trouble in the world to waste time and effort being a racist. We are all born equal and die equal.
just my opinion.
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Anyone see the bar photos with Gibson mugging it up with some of the patrons. Damn he looks wasted. There is one of him with his arm around an Asian female - I guess he's not a complete bigot. CNN has them posted if anyone's interested.
I don't mean to defend the guy or offer excues but we are talking about hollywood here the press he has on this thing is unreal or affordable i have to wonder if were being played hook line and sinker but i guess time will tell
If he came to this forum and asked forgiveness, from what I've seen in the bad eBay deal threads and the coin doctor threads he would be forgiven and given leniency because after all, he's not a commoner, he's a rich movie star & producer and deserves special considerations & privileges.
And after all, don't we all blame it on somebody else when the cops arrest us? I know everytime they arrest me I blame my actions on the Jews, Bush, the feminists, the Budweiser Brewery, my friends or whoever I can think of to get the heat off me. ps It never works for me. The cops always use their nightsticks, tasers and Rover on me and throw me in the back seat and haul my a$$ to jail anyway.
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Stupid thread Award deserved here!
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<< <i>Time to turn off Spike and turn on CNN >>
Yea...riiiiight...CNN has no agenda......Sure, drink the kool-aid...
<< <i>Congratulations! You win today's Stupid Thread Award™!
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Couldn't have said it any better.
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<< <i>easy to see those who are socially aware from those don't have CNN. Time to turn off Spike and turn on CNN, there is news on this planet >>
Some drunk rich boy talks out of his ass and that's news ??.................
Herb
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<< <i>if Mel Gibson collected coins would you deal with him? >>
There are far worse coin dealers out there. Some even post on this forum... >>
A past president of the ANA was known to have hard core racist attitudes.
"Alcohol is not a truth serum," says psychologist G. Alan Marlatt, director of Addictive Behaviors Research Center at University of Washington-Seattle. Because alcohol lowers inhibitions, it can lead people to say what they feel at the moment, Marlatt says. But in Gibson's case, "it may or may not indicate his true feelings."
Gibson's supposed rant about Jews does indicate that the topic has meaning to him, says addiction psychiatrist Bryon Adinoff of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas. "Clearly, Jews are on his mind. He made The Passion of the Christ, and many reacted negatively to how Jews were depicted. Now we have a war going on in the Middle East. It's something that's on his mind, or it probably wouldn't come out when he had some alcohol," Adinoff says.
The remarks attributed to Gibson "could reflect pent-up frustration and anger at how his life has changed since he made the movie," says psychologist William Iacono of the University of Minnesota-Minneapolis. "People can lash out when they're drunk, and we don't know how deeply they believe what they're saying."
But Iacono says such remarks about Jews are unlikely to be random, "to come out of nowhere." Although science can't determine whether the star spoke what he felt, it's reasonable to think the remarks have some kernel of truth for Gibson, he says.
<< <i>Yes. He is just a man like anyone else. He will tend to get drunk occasionally and maybe even say dumb things our of frustration. Just because he is a well known actor doesn't mean he is perfect like the hollywood types who so hypocritically think he should be. People need to lay off of Mel and move on with their lives. >>
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<< <i>easy to see those who are socially aware from those don't have CNN. Time to turn off Spike and turn on CNN, there is news on this planet >>
Some drunk rich boy talks out of his ass and that's news ??.................
Herb >>
I think that says more about the original poster then anything else.
<< <i>Yes. He is just a man like anyone else. He will tend to get drunk occasionally and maybe even say dumb things our of frustration. Just because he is a well known actor doesn't mean he is perfect like the hollywood types who so hypocritically think he should be. People need to lay off of Mel and move on with their lives. >>
I gotta agree here. He isn't the first person to get drunk and run off at the mouth and won't be the last. Hell, I have a couple real good rages in my past. I was always trying to be the perfectionist, especially at drinking, I needed to do it better than anyone else. I know there are some times I went way over the edge and there are probably worse ones too, I just don't remember those.
Actually, a sizable contribution to the Anti-Defamation League and some outreach work on its behalf would probably go a long way to improve MG's standing in the Jewish community. Talk is cheap. But so am I, and I will still settle for a coin.
Yup. I dont care who I buy from if the coin is nice. Im not married to any dealer, just the quality of product they sell.
<< <i>So is this a comparrison of Mel Gibson and Walter Breen? >>
I was wondering if somebody would catch on to the Hypocrisy Gone Wild™ in this thread.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Not to excuse MG whatsoever but what is it about getting intoxicated on tequila that seems to bring the
absolute worst out in an individual?...
I've always been curious about the viciousness of a tequila drunk. >>
Excellent question, and one I have some experience with. My reaction is the opposite. I LOOOOOVE everybody when drinking tequila. I'm the happiest drunk around, and not the staggering, obnoxious, slurring his speech drunk, either. It's like an adrenaline shot.
I refuse to drink "brown liquor" because it makes me hateful. Despise the stuff. Odd chemistry indeed.
Of course.
WHat do you want be to put in the ebay auctions ???
Don't bid if you like Bush?
Don't bid if you hate Bush?
Don't bid if you like Mel Gibson?
Don't bid if you hate Mel Gibson?
Give me a break.
Even bigots, trash, liars, thieves, and good people have the right to say what they want to as long as they are within these borders. I do not think he is an American by citizenship status, but Freedom and Liberty to say what you want is supposed to apply to anyone within the borders of the USA.
No, I'm not Jewish but I've worked for a Jewish gentleman before. He was the best boss I've ever had, treated me very well and paid more than I've earned since or before. I have ZERO against Jewish people. Mel didn't speak for everyone, just himself.
<< <i>he apologized not because he was sorry, just sorry he got caught and ran his mouth, he meant every word he said.
He is lucky that "sugar t**s" didn't kick his a*s. If some black or hispanic guy called a high ranking female officer that they would be pick up his teeth off the pavement. >>
Gimme a break. You don't know what he thought. I've said lots of stupid stuff while drunk (mostly about lovely women that I would never think or say when sober, mostly
The point is he was big enough to apologize.
And who was the __________ person that called this news worthy in the first place. CNN? PLEASE! That's the problem with our great country. Stupid sh!t like this wasting people's time!
What happened? He kicked my ass as well he should have. I did not do it again.
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<< <i>I refuse to drink "brown liquor" because it makes me hateful. Despise the stuff. >>
How dare you come on this board and spew your "colorist" hate-mongering. Alcohol should be judged solely on its own merit, not on the basis of its color!
They lived in the next town (Washingtonville, NY) next to where my father worked. Nothing outwardly obvious about that family about being anti-semitic at the time and I happen to be Jewish.
I believe he played Little League baseball as well.
If I am not mistaken, I believe he moved to Australia, the following year or two.
<< <i> He is lucky that "sugar t**s" didn't kick his a*s. If some black or hispanic guy called a high ranking female officer that they would be pick up his teeth off the pavement. >>
OH REALLY? And what makes you an expert on the level of professionalism of a law enforcement officer towards a person Black or Hispanic ethnicity? Or are you just projecting yourself in the role using the above as a mask for your own frustration?
edited to read "a person of Black or Hispanic ethnicity".
Thanks for the correction Ziggy. Mea Culpa.
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<< <i> He is lucky that "sugar t**s" didn't kick his a*s. If some black or hispanic guy called a high ranking female officer that they would be pick up his teeth off the pavement. >>
OH REALLY? And what makes you an expert on the level of professionalism of a law enforcement officer of Black or Hispanic ethnicity? Or are you just projecting yourself in the role using the above as a mask for your own frustration?
I think you misread the post. He wasn't talking about a black or Hispanic COP.
just my opinion.
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but we are talking about hollywood here
the press he has on this thing is unreal or affordable
i have to wonder if were being played
hook line and sinker but i guess time will tell
absolutely
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And after all, don't we all blame it on somebody else when the cops arrest us? I know everytime they arrest me I blame my actions on the Jews, Bush, the feminists, the Budweiser Brewery, my friends or whoever I can think of to get the heat off me.
ps It never works for me. The cops always use their nightsticks, tasers and Rover on me and throw me in the back seat and haul my a$$ to jail anyway.
an enjoyable activity. Therefore, I will do both
with people I like and who are pleasent to do bussiness
with.
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<< <i>To me, buying and selling coins should be
an enjoyable activity. Therefore, I will do both
with people I like and who are pleasent to do bussiness
with. >>
So, you like Mel Gibson, right?
<< <i>Whenever someone asks me that question, I always ask myself, "What would Russ do?" (WWRD) >>
Yesss!! Too funny.
The Open Forum is dead but it rears its ugly head at times.
I did like Russ giving out the Stupid Thread Award.
if Mel Gibson collected coins would you deal with him?
yes only if i could get some sugar tits