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What Grade Would PCGS Give This Morgan?

CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
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It's an 1886-P VAM-1C (Hot-50) currently in an NGC holder. I could get NGC to VAM tag it or cross and tag at PCGS. How do you think it would fare in the latter case?
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    HonoluluDudeHonoluluDude Posts: 2,167 ✭
    63 or 64
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,510 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A lot of small marks on the cheek so probably a 63.

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    123cents123cents Posts: 7,178 ✭✭✭
    MS-64.
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    mgoodm3mgoodm3 Posts: 17,497 ✭✭✭
    I'm leaning closer to 65.
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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭
    Looks 65 to me.
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭
    If you look closer, there are really only two very tiny tocks on the cheek, one on the neck and one below the lips. The rest is the original surface (note the strike was a little less than full) playing with the light. A great example I guess of how images can be difficult to grade with.
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    coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭
    i`d say 65, it looks very nice.
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    paigowjohnnypaigowjohnny Posts: 4,257 ✭
    65
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    mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
    id say a pq 64 or a 65 maybe higher in hand
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    slipgateslipgate Posts: 2,301 ✭✭
    at least 64, possibly 65
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    greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    I'm in the grouchy MS64 camp.

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    dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    65
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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS64
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    LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    tough to grade from a image but that one looks gem ms65 to me..

    i have recently made some ms63's and they tend to be rather baggy in comparision to what i think i see here...
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    morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    John---You know more tha most havet forgetten on Morgan grades---If it makesou feel, better-PCGS gave my Cheapo Battle Creakin MS60+--- the ones with no grades--- a
    MS65 grade---Vert disappointing--I thought it was solid LP!!!---
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    pbfloydpbfloyd Posts: 745
    If the same graders that just graded this one gets it........I say 64 maybeimage
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    VamGuyVamGuy Posts: 1,624 ✭

    I'd give it a 75% shot at 65.

    This is what it looks like in a 66...

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    RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,155 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a 65 to me.
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    HonoluluDudeHonoluluDude Posts: 2,167 ✭


    << <i>I'd give it a 75% shot at 65.

    This is what it looks like in a 66...
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    ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
    I think that could make 5.
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139 ✭


    << <i>I'd give it a 75% shot at 65.

    This is what it looks like in a 66...
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    I know what a 66 looks like, I got the other one at PCGS.
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    GoldenEyeNumismaticsGoldenEyeNumismatics Posts: 13,187 ✭✭✭
    Lock 63
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    VamGuyVamGuy Posts: 1,624 ✭


    << <i>I know what a 66 looks like, I got the other one at PCGS. >>

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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭
    Mint State Sixty Three!

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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I would guess 64- a little more gradeflation and then we're talking 65.....
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    AceKAceK Posts: 414
    It's so hard to tell from those small images how distracting the cheek marks are. I'm guessing 64 if they're a distraction, 65 if not.
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    RVDavisRVDavis Posts: 1,137 ✭
    That would go 65 on a grader's worst day in my opinion. Just a beautiful coin. Both on technical measures as well as eye appeal.

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    ibzman350ibzman350 Posts: 5,315 ✭
    my wag is 65,


    Nice coin, I like...image





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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the strike is just a touch to weak so I'd say a grade of 64.
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    JJMJJM Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭✭✭
    64 or 65 depends on the day
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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,737 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No worse than 64, probably 65. Liberty's cap looks a little banged up but the cheek looks clean. Strike and luster are good.
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    HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would think you would have a good shot at getting 65 out of this one. Good luster image
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    StuartStuart Posts: 9,831 ✭✭✭✭✭
    John: MS-65 and a legitimate Shot 66. A very pretty coin!!

    It has pretty and smooth satiny luster, as opposed to typical alligator skin grainy luster.

    Small ticks on Obv may limit grade at 65, but reverse is MS-66 all day...

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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin, but it is at best a 64. PCGS will not grade a coin with a weak strike higher than a 64, and that coin is as weak as a typical "O" mint Morgan.
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    sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭
    I would grade it a solid ms65, and to me, at least, the strike looks at least average to better than average, not weak.
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    MORGANHUNTER2MORGANHUNTER2 Posts: 4,473 ✭
    A very solid 5, could get a 6 possible.

    Very nice
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    coinandcurrency242coinandcurrency242 Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭✭
    MS 64

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    michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    64+ obverse
    65 reverse

    net 64 pcgs

    in a 65 holder it would be a low end 65
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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭✭

    John: Numismatics 1A- grading services don't "give" grades. They sell them. End of lesson. Class dismissed.image

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    dizzleccdizzlecc Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭
    I would call it a high end 64.

    It is a cool vam.
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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    I would guess MS64. It looks to have some hits in the field that would keep it from a MS65.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Coxe....

    That is a nice coin with album toning that is as natural as can be, but if you look at the hair detail above the ear and compare it to a few pics posted here, you will see this coin probably won't make 65 for the very reason steve mentions in this thread.
    A weak die strike even with great luster and eye appeal will prevent that LOFTY grade for Morgans. I believe the other reason it won't make it is that it is a Philadelphia minted Morgan with a population that is over 19 million.
    When coins have a high mintage , it seems like the graders are even more scrutinizing, especially as it pertains to STRIKE DETAIL image...

    Humble opinon , long winded, open minded, and all mine.

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