What Grade Would PCGS Give This Morgan?

Coxe · July 28, 2006 5:15AM

It's an 1886-P VAM-1C (Hot-50) currently in an NGC holder. I could get NGC to VAM tag it or cross and tag at PCGS. How do you think it would fare in the latter case?

-- JC

HonoluluDude · July 28, 2006 5:17AM

63 or 64

PerryHall · July 28, 2006 5:21AM

A lot of small marks on the cheek so probably a 63.

123cents · July 28, 2006 5:21AM

MS-64.

mgoodm3 · July 28, 2006 5:23AM

I'm leaning closer to 65.

Wolf359 · July 28, 2006 5:24AM

Looks 65 to me.

Coxe · July 28, 2006 5:26AM

If you look closer, there are really only two very tiny tocks on the cheek, one on the neck and one below the lips. The rest is the original surface (note the strike was a little less than full) playing with the light. A great example I guess of how images can be difficult to grade with.

coinman420 · July 28, 2006 5:27AM

i`d say 65, it looks very nice.

paigowjohnny · July 28, 2006 5:28AM

65

mcheath · July 28, 2006 5:32AM

id say a pq 64 or a 65 maybe higher in hand

slipgate · July 28, 2006 5:35AM

at least 64, possibly 65

greghansen · July 28, 2006 5:38AM

I'm in the grouchy MS64 camp.

dizzyfoxx · July 28, 2006 5:38AM

65

NumisOxide · July 28, 2006 5:38AM

MS64

LucyBop · July 28, 2006 5:51AM

tough to grade from a image but that one looks gem ms65 to me..

i have recently made some ms63's and they tend to be rather baggy in comparision to what i think i see here...

morgannut2 · July 28, 2006 5:52AM

John---You know more tha most havet forgetten on Morgan grades---If it makesou feel, better-PCGS gave my Cheapo Battle Creakin MS60+--- the ones with no grades--- a
MS65 grade---Vert disappointing--I thought it was solid LP!!!---

pbfloyd · July 28, 2006 5:56AM

If the same graders that just graded this one gets it........I say 64 maybe

VamGuy · July 28, 2006 6:01AM

I'd give it a 75% shot at 65.

This is what it looks like in a 66...

RedneckHB · July 28, 2006 6:03AM

Looks like a 65 to me.

HonoluluDude · July 28, 2006 6:05AM

<< <i>I'd give it a 75% shot at 65.

This is what it looks like in a 66...
>>

W

W! Schwing!!

ziggy29 · July 28, 2006 6:09AM

I think that could make 5.

Coxe · July 28, 2006 6:16AM

<< <i>I'd give it a 75% shot at 65.

This is what it looks like in a 66...
>>

I know what a 66 looks like, I got the other one at PCGS.

GoldenEyeNumismatics · July 28, 2006 6:17AM

Lock 63

VamGuy · July 28, 2006 6:32AM

<< <i>I know what a 66 looks like, I got the other one at PCGS. >>

TorinoCobra71 · July 28, 2006 6:39AM

Mint State Sixty Three!

TorinoCobra71

Myqqy · July 28, 2006 6:47AM

I would guess 64- a little more gradeflation and then we're talking 65.....

AceK · July 28, 2006 6:58AM

It's so hard to tell from those small images how distracting the cheek marks are. I'm guessing 64 if they're a distraction, 65 if not.

RVDavis · July 28, 2006 7:02AM

That would go 65 on a grader's worst day in my opinion. Just a beautiful coin. Both on technical measures as well as eye appeal.

Rick

ibzman350 · July 28, 2006 7:02AM

my wag is 65,

Nice coin, I like...

Herb

coinbuf · July 28, 2006 7:10AM

I think the strike is just a touch to weak so I'd say a grade of 64.

JJM · July 28, 2006 8:45AM

64 or 65 depends on the day

messydesk · July 28, 2006 8:58AM

No worse than 64, probably 65. Liberty's cap looks a little banged up but the cheek looks clean. Strike and luster are good.

HighRelief · July 28, 2006 9:19AM

I would think you would have a good shot at getting 65 out of this one. Good luster

Stuart · July 28, 2006 9:38AM

John: MS-65 and a legitimate Shot 66. A very pretty coin!!

It has pretty and smooth satiny luster, as opposed to typical alligator skin grainy luster.

Small ticks on Obv may limit grade at 65, but reverse is MS-66 all day...

Steve27 · July 28, 2006 10:00AM

Nice coin, but it is at best a 64. PCGS will not grade a coin with a weak strike higher than a 64, and that coin is as weak as a typical "O" mint Morgan.

sweetwilliet · July 28, 2006 11:05AM

I would grade it a solid ms65, and to me, at least, the strike looks at least average to better than average, not weak.

MORGANHUNTER2 · July 28, 2006 11:21AM

A very solid 5, could get a 6 possible.

Very nice

coinandcurrency242 · July 28, 2006 12:22PM

MS 64

michael · July 28, 2006 12:45PM

64+ obverse
65 reverse

net 64 pcgs

in a 65 holder it would be a low end 65

coindeuce · July 28, 2006 1:17PM

John: Numismatics 1A- grading services don't "give" grades. They sell them. End of lesson. Class dismissed.

dizzlecc · July 28, 2006 1:20PM

I would call it a high end 64.

It is a cool vam.

jmj3esq · July 28, 2006 1:23PM

I would guess MS64. It looks to have some hits in the field that would keep it from a MS65.

TwoSides2aCoin · July 29, 2006 12:38AM

Hi Coxe....

That is a nice coin with album toning that is as natural as can be, but if you look at the hair detail above the ear and compare it to a few pics posted here, you will see this coin probably won't make 65 for the very reason steve mentions in this thread.
A weak die strike even with great luster and eye appeal will prevent that LOFTY grade for Morgans. I believe the other reason it won't make it is that it is a Philadelphia minted Morgan with a population that is over 19 million.
When coins have a high mintage , it seems like the graders are even more scrutinizing, especially as it pertains to STRIKE DETAIL

...

Humble opinon , long winded, open minded, and all mine.

Joe

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