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MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,706 ✭✭✭✭✭
July 17 (Reuters) - DGSE Cos. Inc. (DGSE.O: Quote, Profile, Research) on Monday said it agreed to buy Superior Galleries Inc. (SPGR.OB: Quote, Profile, Research) in an all-stock deal valued at $14 million.

DGSE, which wholesales and retails jewelry, diamonds, fine watches and precious metal bullion products and rare coins, said the deal would make it one of the largest rare coin firms in the U.S.

DGSE and Superior expect the deal to close late in October, the company said in a statement
Andy Lustig

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    TrinkettsTrinketts Posts: 1,699
    Maybe we won't see anymore of those $100 BIN mistakes now....
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    sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,316 ✭✭✭
    Maybe they will include pictures in their auctions. Just a thought, probably won't happen. Oh, and maybe they will send you the coin pictured, rather than one identical in value according to them in the same holder.
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    MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942
    Only $14 million? I would have thought the company was worth more than that.
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    ERER Posts: 7,345
    not surprised.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The only numismatic entity that seems to change hands more often than Superior is PCI grading service. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    MichiganMichigan Posts: 4,942


    << <i>The only numismatic entity that seems to change hands more often than Superior is PCI grading service. image >>




    How many times has Superior been sold? Anyone know?
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Let me try to dig up the balance sheets. That price seems strange.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,814 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>The only numismatic entity that seems to change hands more often than Superior is PCI grading service. image >>




    How many times has Superior been sold? Anyone know? >>



    I think that it must have been at least three times since the Goldbergs gold out of it years ago. I used to deal with them when the Goldbergs ran it, and I thought it was pretty classy. Now, well you need a scorecard. image
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    goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    let me guess...

    someone got the joint, lock stock and barrell, via a 100.00 BIN.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As a buyer, I would total up the fair value of the inventory and other assets, subtract the debt and other liabilities (ie. Beepy's lawsuit image ) and round up to the nearest million. The goodwill could not be worth much, and the barrier to entry in coin auctions, as we are learning from Legend, is non-existent.
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    Or, maybe we will see more of those BIN mistakes !!!
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    mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    Again?
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,709 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>let me guess...

    someone got the joint, lock stock and barrell, via a 100.00 BIN. >>

    This one was $1 image
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>let me guess...

    someone got the joint, lock stock and barrell, via a 100.00 BIN. >>



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    TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    I have heard that the owner of Superior is one of the astute judges of the coin market. If this is true , is this the market top?
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    bidaskbidask Posts: 14,057 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have heard that the owner of Superior is one of the astute judges of the coin market. If this is true , is this the market top? >>

    Could be.
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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have heard that the owner of Superior is one of the astute judges of the coin market. If this is true , is this the market top? >>



    The coin market overall is quite a different beast than the coin auction market.

    In auctions it's all about reputation, connections, and execution. A good market helps, but the fundamentals will make money for the strong players even in a down market. I see Stack's has been cranking out catalogs pretty regularly for over 70 years now.......
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    MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,706 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have heard that the owner of Superior is one of the astute judges of the coin market. If this is true , is this the market top?

    First, you heard that from Superior's marketing department. Hardly an impartial judge of "astuteness".

    Second, the decision to sell was probably not made by the person in question.

    Finally, even if the guru is a real guru and he did make the decision, the fact that Superior took payment in DGSE stock means the decision had little to do with cashing out of the coin market.
    Andy Lustig

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    relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    $14 million in stock isn't much of a company.

    Maybe DGSE did a BIN and got it cheap?
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have heard that the owner of Superior is one of the astute judges of the coin market. If this is true , is this the market top?

    First, you heard that from Superior's marketing department. Hardly an impartial judge of "astuteness".

    Second, the decision to sell was probably not made by the person in question.

    Finally, even if the guru is a real guru and he did make the decision, the fact that Superior took payment in DGSE stock means the decision had little to do with cashing out of the coin market. >>



    Good answer.
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    TahoeDaleTahoeDale Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭
    The DGSE website has a press release, that gives more details.

    Sil DiGenova and Larry Abbott will still be there, among others.

    It looks like the combination will be to expand both companies, into the areas that each now specialize. DGSE gets more coin business, and Superior will be selling/auctioning more jewelry.

    TahoeDale
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    << <i>I have heard that the owner of Superior is one of the astute judges of the coin market. If this is true , is this the market top? >>




    I'm not sure what you mean by the owner. The majority of Superior's stock was owned by Standford Financial Portfolio Co. If you had an account with them or did a lot of business with Stanford Coin and Bullion you could consign with Superior with 0% seller's commission and buyback fees. Also, Dallas Gold & Silver Exchnge used to have their own auctions. Not very big. Just 5-10 items up at a time.



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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Superior has some work to do to inspire enough confidence in me to bid in their auctions again.
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    seateddimeseateddime Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭
    what would heritage sell for?
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Here is the publically-available balance sheet at March 31, 2006. What do you think of the purchase price? Someone is paying a premium for something.





    SUPERIOR GALLERIES, INC.
    BALANCE SHEETS
    (IN THOUSANDS)

    March 31,
    2006
    (Unaudited)
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    ASSETS

    CURRENT ASSETS
    Cash $ 471
    Accounts receivable, net of allowance for uncollectible
    accounts of $148 (March 2006) and $122 (Jun. 2005) 5,208
    Auction and customer advances 1,842
    Inventories 9,425
    Prepaid expense and other 328
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    Total current assets 17,274
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    LONG-TERM ASSETS
    Property and equipment, net 409
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    Total long-term assets 409
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    TOTAL ASSETS $ 17,683
    ============

    LIABILITIES AND STOCKHOLDERS' EQUITY

    CURRENT LIABILITIES
    Line of credit - related party $ 10,850
    Line of credit 2,200
    Accounts payable and accrued expenses 4,394
    Notes payable to a related party 200
    Notes payable 1,150
    Series A stock redemption payable

    Total current liabilities 16,594
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    LONG-TERM LIABILITIES
    Notes payable to a related party, net of current portion 300
    ------------
    Total long-term liabilities 300
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    TOTAL LIABILITIES 16,894
    ============

    STOCKHOLDERS' EQUITY
    Preferred stock, 693 shares undesignated,
    none outstanding
    Series B convertible preferred stock, $1.00 par value, 3,400 shares
    designated, 3,400 shares issued
    and outstanding with a liquidation preference of $3,400 2,967
    Series D convertible preferred stock, $1.00 par value, 2,000 shares
    designated, 2,000 shares issued and
    outstanding with a liquidation preference of $2,000 1,931
    Series E convertible preferred stock, $1.00 par value, 2,500 shares
    designated, 2,500 shares issued and
    outstanding with a liquidation preference of $2,500 2,488
    Common stock, $0.001 par value, 20,000 shares authorized; 4,808 and
    4,820 shares issued and outstanding as of March 31, 2006 and June
    30, 2005, respectively 5
    Additional paid in capital 8,685
    Accumulated deficit (15,287)
    ------------ ------------
    Total stockholders' equity 789
    ------------ ------------
    TOTAL LIABILITIES AND STOCKHOLDERS' EQUITY $ 17,683
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    CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭✭
    Speaking as a "non-insider" in this transaction, $14 million seems like an awful lot for this company. I suspect it includes assumption of debt and/or millions in inventory. I think the "net" sales price may be far lower.
    JMHO
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    tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,613 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Too bad one couldn't acquire that accumulated deficit ... now *that's* worth smoething! image
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    mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
    I agree that it's a lot of money for that company

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