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Grade revealed: A Missouri commem for your opinions - AT or NT? And, if applicable, guess the grade?

coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Pretty in pink.

    Russ, NCNE
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    stephunterstephunter Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭
    NT 58?
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    ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
    NT
    55
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    You guys think the coin is AU?

    Russ, NCNE
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    ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
    Yea?
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    LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162 ✭
    Looks like some "Rub" on the high points both obverse and reverse. I'm thinking 55 also.image
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    ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
    Russ,

    HA!!!! 3 to 1............you are the weakest link, goodbye. image
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    DickyBetzDickyBetz Posts: 3,825
    MS63...weak strike.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ,

    HA!!!! 3 to 1............you are the weakest link, goodbye. >>



    We shall see.

    Russ, NCNE
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    DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    NT , MS 64/5 (weak strike ) IMHO image
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    ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
    Now we are losing and Russ.......might be.....he just might.........be correct. imageimage
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    For you Russ bashers image, here is a PCGS MS64, courtesy of ANR's auction archives:

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    ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ bashers >>

    ?

    I resemble that remark!! image
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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    NT 55
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    MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    I think it is NT, but toned with a look that could be AT'd if someone wanted to. It is neutral eye appeal toning and wouldn't command a premium for the toning, in my opinion. The motive to AT it like that would be to cover up something, not to turn it into a Monster toner. I would think that if it isn't hairlined under the toning then it is a NT MS63 but that if hairlined it is a AT bodybag coin.

    I accidently bought an Alabama commem recently that had original looking neutral eye appeal toning and then when I brought it home and looked at it under better light I could see hairlines under the toning. I was wondering why the dealer was selling an original toned Unc Commem for low AU money. The only thing I can't tell is whether it was wiped with a cloth long ago and the toning is NT or if the coin was AT'd to hide the hairlines.
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    greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Alright...I'll go ahead and call it AT. And AU55.

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NT 63
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
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    CoinResourceCoinResource Posts: 1,113
    NT 64 weak strike
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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I'll go with NT55 also....
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    coinman420coinman420 Posts: 4,666 ✭
    NT MS62
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    That photo is clearly in FeldView, which makes all coins look worse than they really are. image

    I'll guess NGC graded this coin a 65, or even higher if the luster is all there (and if I know Mark's coins, it is). I see no rub and only a very few contact marks, and a very pretty NT Missouri...Mike

    [edited to add NT comment]
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    techefftecheff Posts: 2,285
    Looks like a 64 to me... image
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    mirabelamirabela Posts: 5,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a Feld pic (I know, not the kind of reasoning you asked the question to elicit) but that makes me think you probably own it. Consequently, I'm going to call it an NT gem. NGC 65.

    mirabela
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    dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    I'll say NT and a very nice 64.image
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    curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭
    NT.....MS63

    That's my take on it anyway
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    jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    NT 66
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    mozinmozin Posts: 8,755 ✭✭✭
    I can't grade well on MS grade Classic Commems only using pictures. As a guess, I say this one is NT NGC MS65.
    I collect Capped Bust series by variety in PCGS AU/MS grades.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    After careful study, I've changed my mind. I think NGC graded it AU58.

    Russ, NCNE
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    NT 65
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    michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭✭
    ngc ms62

    market acceptable toning
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    eyoreeyore Posts: 257
    nt 58 was my impression
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    ledzep87ledzep87 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Grade: NGC AU58.

    While I believe that the coin is accurately graded, in my view, those who guessed AU deserve no more credit than those who guessed choice mint state. The images really don't give it away, one way or the other.

    One interesting thing that came up in this thread is a reminder that, as per human nature, responses can be affected by the person who is showing the coin. It is pretty well known that I usually deal in higher grade coins, especially when/if they are commemoratives. Some of the grade guesses were likely influenced on the high side, by that knowledge. Add to that, my reputation for sub-par imaging and the grade guesses, relative to the actual image, went higher still!image

    Likewise, when I see Dizzyfox post a commemorative here, right away, I am automatically thinking MS65 or higher. It would probably take an image of a blatantly lower graded coin to snap me out of that mindset.image

    Thanks for your participation.
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    majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭


    << <i>You guys think the coin is AU?

    Russ, NCNE >>



    A coin with wear like this cannot be MS--I would have thought that even you could grasp this simple concept!
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>You guys think the coin is AU?

    Russ, NCNE >>



    A coin with wear like this cannot be MS--I would have thought that even you could grasp this simple concept! >>

    But did you see his grade guess later in the thread? He (with a bit of help) nailed it at AU58. Next time, please read before you leap. Now, you must also weep.image
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    DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>You guys think the coin is AU?

    Russ, NCNE >>



    A coin with wear like this cannot be MS--I would have thought that even you could grasp this simple concept! >>

    But did you see his grade guess later in the thread? He (with a bit of help) nailed it at AU58. Next time, please read before you leap. Now, you must also weep.image >>




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    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."



    - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,780 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grading Missouri commemorative half dollars from photoes is more difficult that grading most coins from photoraphs. These coins often have flat areas where it seems the dies were not filled when the coin was struck.

    I'd say this coin is probably an MS-63 (graded before I read the part where it is AU-58) and the toning on it is real or a least a number of years old. If the coin is in a MS-64 or higher holder I'd stay away from this piece because of the scratch to the right of the pioneer's nose.

    Here' the coin that is in my set. It's in a PCGS MS-64 holder:

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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One interesting thing that came up in this thread is a reminder that, as per human nature, responses can be affected by the person who is showing the coin.

    Yes, I know. Everytime I post a GTG, everyone guesses XF-40. imageimageimageimage
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132

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