A thread for Bear

gregormendel · May 17, 2006 12:42PM

Here ya go, man.

rmoss · May 17, 2006 1:02PM

I know this thread is for Mr. Bear Sir, but would you please tell the grade on that Seated half. That is one beautiful coin.

Edited for spelling.

gregormendel · May 17, 2006 1:04PM

Bear will be along shortly. He should have the dais to speak on this one. I'm just providing some technical help

jayboxx · May 17, 2006 1:04PM

It's a good thread for me too.

Bear · May 17, 2006 1:07PM

OK. This coin was posted on the Larry Whitlow website for about 10 minutes

when I put my bid in on it. The coin is a MS-64 and I have never seen a 64 with

such a dazzling look. The coin in hand, has almost a PL field with the devices showing

a blazing luster. This coin beats many MS-65s that are either dull or dark, and quite a few 66s.

According to Mike Prinz I beat out 4-5 Forum members by a few minutes to a few hours.

The coin should have been listed as a 64++ . I would not be suprised to see this coin upgraded

some day.

dizzyfoxx · May 17, 2006 1:07PM

Well since I responded before Bear did, I'll take it.

Very pretty example!

Edited to say: Bear beat me to the punch!

Bear · May 17, 2006 1:09PM

I suspect that this coin will be buried with my furry little

body when I go to the great beyond.

dizzyfoxx · May 17, 2006 1:11PM

I've just contacted the seller and offered him more $. The coin will be shipped to me tomorrow.

Bear · May 17, 2006 1:13PM

Too late, the coin now resides in my grubby paws

and into the bank vault on the morrow.

JRocco · May 17, 2006 1:16PM

Nice looking coin Bear. Hope you enjoy it.
It was probably kept to a 64 because of some hairlines. It sure does look to have PL fields though. Whose plastic is it in Bear?

dizzyfoxx · May 17, 2006 1:17PM

<< <i>Too late, the coin now resides in my grubby paws

and into the bank vault on the morrow. >>

Nice pick-up... P.S. "If you're gonna be a bear, be a GRIZZLY"

Bear · May 17, 2006 1:17PM

PCGS, nothing but the best for this coin.

DUIGUY · May 17, 2006 1:25PM

Mr. Bear ,,,,, You Suck !! Very Very nice !!

Bear · May 17, 2006 1:51PM

Oh my gosh, my first "YOU SUCK AWARD". I'm so proud.

rmoss · May 17, 2006 1:54PM

Mr. Bear Sir, this is the 4th time I have came back to look at that half. Can I hold it for you for a while and I only own 1 Seated Half and it's maybe an F 57-S in a 2 x 2.

Bear · May 17, 2006 1:58PM

Tassa · May 17, 2006 2:02PM

Shamika · May 17, 2006 2:02PM

Wow!

fountainheadgold · May 17, 2006 2:05PM

Congrats you wise bear, Gorgeous coin

michael · May 17, 2006 11:35PM

later non special common date

with obvious hairlines

stripped and dipped blast white

with some secondary toning due to dip residue

maxed out in its current holder

a pass coin for me

Coin Finder · May 17, 2006 11:58PM

Michael, I agree. Sorry it looks worked on.

Tbig

Steve27 · May 18, 2006 1:10AM

Super coin Bear!

coinlieutenant · May 18, 2006 11:16AM

I love the coin and inquired about it just after Bear.

Yes, the coin has been dipped, anyone can see that. The coin is NOT stripped. A stripped coin will have very muted luster and look flat. This one obviously has blazing luster.

Hidden hairlines. Again...Duh!! Why would the coin grade MS64 if it didnt have a few hairlines, it has absolutely great eye appeal, sharp strike and killer luster and no noticable marks. Light hairlines would limit the grade to a very choice 64.

As far as 'worked on', I would love to see how anyone can see that a coin is worked on without being able to rotate it, and inspect much closer than the pic shows as the 'working' would be generally be pretty good to fool PCGS. Not that they dont make mistakes, but please, show me where it was worked on?

Artificial luster? It sure as heck wasnt lased, not worth enough. If it was worked on, I admire the craftmanship!

coinlieutenant · May 18, 2006 11:26AM

Oh, and most dip residue that I have seen does not tone on the peripheries in beautiful light tea stain toning...

Here is another dipped and stripped coin to be crapped on like Bears. This one is a PCGS MS67. My only white coin...and it takes a lot for me to buy and hold a white 19th century coin.
White, no wear and lifeless = stripped. White, no wear and a blazer = SEXY.

DUIGUY · May 18, 2006 11:43AM

<< <i>Oh, and most dip residue that I have seen does not tone on the peripheries in beautiful light tea stain toning...

Here is another dipped and stripped coin to be crapped on like Bears. This one is a PCGS MS67. My only white coin...and it takes a lot for me to buy and hold a white 19th century coin.
White, no wear and lifeless = stripped. White, no wear and a blazer = SEXY.

>>

roadrunner · May 18, 2006 12:19PM

While I see Michael's technical points I too saw the coin's photo yesterday and almost called Mike as well. Who knows, I may have seen it first. I saw upgrade potential even with some wayward hairlines. I've seen heavy hairlines on 66 coins so those alone won't prevent a 65 grade......they must be all over the place or quite heavy. Only Bear will know. Probably a good deal and down the road, just may upgrade. And a full cameo look to boot.

It has a great look regardless of dip and secondary toning. Most 64 seated halves are bullet ridden, semi-dull, or just plain ugly.

And CoinLt, nice 1872 dime. That's not an easy date in superb gem.
At first I figured it was a half dime and then did a double take. While I prefer some color, that's a neat coin.

roadrunner

Myqqy · May 18, 2006 12:44PM

That's a sparkling nice seated half!

uofa1285 · May 18, 2006 12:48PM

Wonderful coin Bear and nice retort CoinLt.

Doug

Hadleydog · May 18, 2006 1:22PM

Nice cameo appearance, I really like it........that's sayin' a lot from someone who normally insists on at least a little color!

Bear · May 18, 2006 1:32PM

Ladies and gentlemen, I thank you all for your comments. I dont really

mind opinions, even when they are critical. For general information, there

are hairlines under 5X glass. The devices have luster and the fields are just short

of PL. Yes the coin must have been dipped, but it appears to have been done judiciously.

The fields are alive with reflective light and the entire coin says gem. The rims are without

any defects nor do I see any defects on the coin that would cause it to be held to a MS-64

except the hairlines which can not be seen with the naked eye.

As any collector, I buy coins to please myself and I must say that myself is very pleased

Coin Finder · May 18, 2006 2:18PM

Love that 1872 coin.

MikeInFL · May 18, 2006 2:31PM

Bear, What a pretty coin -- even if it was dipped the contrast of the fields and devices is very attractive. Now that you have it in hand, how's the cartwheel? I would expect it is muted with the prooflike fields, but more evident in the devices. Also, who graded it? Take care....Mike

Bear · May 18, 2006 2:49PM

Mike the coin is PCGS-64 and the cartwheel effect is complete

on both the obverse and the reverse. No over dipping on this coin.

Perhaps the fields should be labeled as a super semi PL.

MikeInFL · May 18, 2006 3:46PM

Why the grade of 64 then? What's holding this coin back? Are the hairlines enough on their own? Perhaps PCGS market graded the dipping and hairlines together? I'm not that familiar with how PCGS grades this series in MS, but I know a proof would not be limited to the 64 grade because of the hairlines (unless really bad). I'm a bit puzzled, because the coin has the look of a 65 from the pictures. Take care...Mike

Bear · May 18, 2006 4:30PM

Well, in time we shall see.

rmoss · May 18, 2006 5:48PM

Mr. Bear Sir, I just had to come back for one more look before this thread gets laid up in the archives of the coin forum. I think you did well.

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