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gregormendelgregormendel Posts: 90
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Here ya go, man.

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  • rmossrmoss Posts: 644
    I know this thread is for Mr. Bear Sir, but would you please tell the grade on that Seated half. That is one beautiful coin.

    Edited for spelling.
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  • gregormendelgregormendel Posts: 90
    Bear will be along shortly. He should have the dais to speak on this one. I'm just providing some technical helpimage
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  • jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    It's a good thread for me too.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    OK. This coin was posted on the Larry Whitlow website for about 10 minutes

    when I put my bid in on it. The coin is a MS-64 and I have never seen a 64 with

    such a dazzling look. The coin in hand, has almost a PL field with the devices showing

    a blazing luster. This coin beats many MS-65s that are either dull or dark, and quite a few 66s.

    According to Mike Prinz I beat out 4-5 Forum members by a few minutes to a few hours.

    The coin should have been listed as a 64++ . I would not be suprised to see this coin upgraded

    some day.
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Well since I responded before Bear did, I'll take it.image
    Very pretty example!image

    Edited to say: Bear beat me to the punch!imageimage
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I suspect that this coin will be buried with my furry little

    body when I go to the great beyond.image
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  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    I've just contacted the seller and offered him more $. The coin will be shipped to me tomorrow.imageimageimageimage
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Too late, the coin now resides in my grubby paws

    and into the bank vault on the morrow.
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  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice looking coin Bear. Hope you enjoy it.
    It was probably kept to a 64 because of some hairlines. It sure does look to have PL fields though. Whose plastic is it in Bear?
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Too late, the coin now resides in my grubby paws

    and into the bank vault on the morrow. >>



    image Nice pick-up... P.S. "If you're gonna be a bear, be a GRIZZLY"image
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    PCGS, nothing but the best for this coin.
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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭
    Mr. Bear ,,,,, You Suck !! Very Very nice !! image
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Oh my gosh, my first "YOU SUCK AWARD". I'm so proud.image
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  • rmossrmoss Posts: 644
    Mr. Bear Sir, this is the 4th time I have came back to look at that half. Can I hold it for you for a while and I only own 1 Seated Half and it's maybe an F 57-S in a 2 x 2.
    "Im not young enough to know everything."
    Oscar Wilde

    Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.

    Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
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  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,782 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow!

    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • fountainheadgoldfountainheadgold Posts: 2,467 ✭
    Congrats you wise bear, Gorgeous coin
    Michael
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    later non special common date

    with obvious hairlines

    stripped and dipped blast white

    with some secondary toning due to dip residue

    maxed out in its current holder

    a pass coin for me






  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Michael, I agree. Sorry it looks worked on.

    Tbig
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Super coin Bear!
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love the coin and inquired about it just after Bear.

    Yes, the coin has been dipped, anyone can see that. The coin is NOT stripped. A stripped coin will have very muted luster and look flat. This one obviously has blazing luster.

    Hidden hairlines. Again...Duh!! Why would the coin grade MS64 if it didnt have a few hairlines, it has absolutely great eye appeal, sharp strike and killer luster and no noticable marks. Light hairlines would limit the grade to a very choice 64.

    As far as 'worked on', I would love to see how anyone can see that a coin is worked on without being able to rotate it, and inspect much closer than the pic shows as the 'working' would be generally be pretty good to fool PCGS. Not that they dont make mistakes, but please, show me where it was worked on?

    Artificial luster? It sure as heck wasnt lased, not worth enough. If it was worked on, I admire the craftmanship!

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  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, and most dip residue that I have seen does not tone on the peripheries in beautiful light tea stain toning...

    Here is another dipped and stripped coin to be crapped on like Bears. This one is a PCGS MS67. My only white coin...and it takes a lot for me to buy and hold a white 19th century coin.
    White, no wear and lifeless = stripped. White, no wear and a blazer = SEXY. image





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  • DUIGUYDUIGUY Posts: 7,252 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Oh, and most dip residue that I have seen does not tone on the peripheries in beautiful light tea stain toning...

    Here is another dipped and stripped coin to be crapped on like Bears. This one is a PCGS MS67. My only white coin...and it takes a lot for me to buy and hold a white 19th century coin.
    White, no wear and lifeless = stripped. White, no wear and a blazer = SEXY. image





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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    While I see Michael's technical points I too saw the coin's photo yesterday and almost called Mike as well. Who knows, I may have seen it first. I saw upgrade potential even with some wayward hairlines. I've seen heavy hairlines on 66 coins so those alone won't prevent a 65 grade......they must be all over the place or quite heavy. Only Bear will know. Probably a good deal and down the road, just may upgrade. And a full cameo look to boot.

    It has a great look regardless of dip and secondary toning. Most 64 seated halves are bullet ridden, semi-dull, or just plain ugly.

    And CoinLt, nice 1872 dime. That's not an easy date in superb gem.
    At first I figured it was a half dime and then did a double take. While I prefer some color, that's a neat coin.

    roadrunner
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  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    That's a sparkling nice seated half! image
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  • uofa1285uofa1285 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    Wonderful coin Bear and nice retort CoinLt.

    Doug
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  • HadleydogHadleydog Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭
    Nice cameo appearance, I really like it........that's sayin' a lot from someone who normally insists on at least a little color!
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Ladies and gentlemen, I thank you all for your comments. I dont really

    mind opinions, even when they are critical. For general information, there

    are hairlines under 5X glass. The devices have luster and the fields are just short

    of PL. Yes the coin must have been dipped, but it appears to have been done judiciously.

    The fields are alive with reflective light and the entire coin says gem. The rims are without

    any defects nor do I see any defects on the coin that would cause it to be held to a MS-64

    except the hairlines which can not be seen with the naked eye.


    As any collector, I buy coins to please myself and I must say that myself is very pleasedimage
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  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Love that 1872 coin.
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    Bear, What a pretty coin -- even if it was dipped the contrast of the fields and devices is very attractive. Now that you have it in hand, how's the cartwheel? I would expect it is muted with the prooflike fields, but more evident in the devices. Also, who graded it? Take care....Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Mike the coin is PCGS-64 and the cartwheel effect is complete

    on both the obverse and the reverse. No over dipping on this coin.

    Perhaps the fields should be labeled as a super semi PL.
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  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭
    Why the grade of 64 then? What's holding this coin back? Are the hairlines enough on their own? Perhaps PCGS market graded the dipping and hairlines together? I'm not that familiar with how PCGS grades this series in MS, but I know a proof would not be limited to the 64 grade because of the hairlines (unless really bad). I'm a bit puzzled, because the coin has the look of a 65 from the pictures. Take care...Mike
    Collector of Large Cents, US Type, and modern pocket change.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Well, in time we shall see.
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  • rmossrmoss Posts: 644
    Mr. Bear Sir, I just had to come back for one more look before this thread gets laid up in the archives of the coin forum. I think you did well. image
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    Oscar Wilde

    Collect for the love of the hobby, the beauty of the coins, and enjoy the ride.

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