How can you tell if a 2nd chance offer is real or not??? Update its was the real deal!

jabba · May 10, 2006 1:14PM

I got one from e-bay today that had my e-bay user name and it had
(Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay) on it? It look real but I was not sure so I did NOT click on the link. I loged off my e-mail and loged on my e-bay account and sent the seller a PM on the coin. Boy the e-mail I got sure looks real but for the price it looks to good 2B true.

gtstang · May 10, 2006 1:17PM

It should show up in your my ebay page as well as your email account.

jabba · May 10, 2006 1:26PM

No, just in my e-mail. I sent it to spoof@ebay.com

airplanenut · May 10, 2006 2:08PM

A real email has your actual name, not your ebay name, with something along the lines of "(Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay)"

You got a spoof, but a good one.

Conder101 · May 11, 2006 3:29AM

<< I got one from e-bay today that had my e-bay user name and it had (Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay) on it? >>

But did it actually have your registered name on it? Not just your eBay handle but also your real name that you used when you registered with eBay, the one on your credit card or bank account that your listed with them? (Assuming you didn't sign up back in the dark ages like I did when they didn't require a credit card or bank account.)

<< A real email has your actual name, not your ebay name, with something along the lines of "(Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay)" >>

The real ones I get have both.

raycyca · May 11, 2006 3:37AM

In the past, I have also got those second chanmce offers too. BUT, it was ONLY after bidding $2000 on certain items, not just coins. Did you bid a large amount? E-bay will notify you in less than 24 hours if it was a spoof, If it was a good price, it was likely a spoof. Especially if they said you have to pay via Western Union, etc instead of Paypal. BE CAREFUL! Ray

holadude · May 11, 2006 3:54AM

I just close my eyes and push the [Delete] button. If it is still there when I open my eyes back up, then it is one of the two.

jabba · May 11, 2006 4:35AM

This is the header:
eBay sent this message to (jabba666).
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay.

Second Chance Offer from paxton84moss
Item: 1802/1 DRAPED BUST EARLY HALF DOLLAR PCGS F12 1ST GEN
This message was sent after the listing closed.
.Good news! The following eBay item on which you placed a bid for US $1,500.00 is now available for purchase:

Your Price: US $1,500.00
Offer end date: -14-06 02:49:24 PDT

Second Chance Offer

The seller, ngccoins@yahoo.com is making this Second Chance Offer because the high bidder was either unable to complete the transaction or the seller has a duplicate item for sale.

The selling of this item through Second Chance Offer is in compliance with eBay policy; you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for all eBay services associated with a transaction, such as fraud protection.

Act Now - This Offer Expires Soon

To take advantage of this opportunity, please act quickly.
You may purchase this item by contact the seller at his email address ngccoins@yahoo.com:

Now it looks like all the e-bay logo and stuff and It tells me to send the payment to ngccoin@yahoo.com???? I have not heard from the seller yet so I think its fake.

jabba · May 11, 2006 4:42AM

Ok E-bay just sent me this??????????????

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:34:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: eBay <secondchanceoffer@ebay.com>
Reply-To: secondchanceoffer@ebay.com
Subject: eBay Second Chance Offer for Item #8413276504: 1802/1 DRAPED
BUST EARLY HALF DOLLAR PCGS F12 1ST GEN

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eBay sent this message to (jabba666).
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from
eBay. Learn more. Second Chance Offer
eBay sent this message on behalf of an eBay member via My Messages.
Responses sent using email will go to the eBay member directly and will
include your email address. Just send an email to the seller's email
address ngccoins@yahoo.com to buy this item.
Second Chance Offer from paxton84moss Item:
1802/1 DRAPED BUST EARLY HALF DOLLAR PCGS F12 1ST GEN This message
was sent after the listing closed. . Good
news! The following eBay item on which you placed a bid for US $1,500.00
is now available for purchase: Your Price:
US $1,500.00 Offer end date: -14-06 02:49:24 PDT
Second Chance Offer
The seller, ngccoins@yahoo.com is making this Second Chance Offer
because the high bidder was either unable to complete the transaction or
the seller has a duplicate item for sale.
The selling of this item through Second Chance Offer is in compliance
with eBay policy; you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller
and will be eligible for all eBay services associated with a
transaction, such as fraud protection. Act Now - This Offer
Expires Soon
To take advantage of this opportunity, please act quickly.
You may purchase this item by contact the seller at his email address
ngccoins@yahoo.com:

Details for item number: 8413276504

Item name: 1802/1 DRAPED BUST EARLY HALF DOLLAR PCGS F12 1ST GEN
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/1802-1-DRAPED-BUST-EARLY-HALF-DOLLAR-PCGS-F12-1ST-GEN_W0QQitemZ8413276504QQcategoryZ11976QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thank you,
eBay Marketplace Safety Tip
You can be sure a Second Chance Offer is from your seller when you see
it in email inbox or other folder Is this email
inappropriate? Does it violate eBay policy? Help protect the community
by reporting it. This eBay notice was
sent this to you on behalf of another eBay member through the eBay
platform and in accordance with our Privacy Policy. If you would like to
receive this email in text format, change your notification preferences.
See our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have questions about
eBay's communication policies.
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KoinDawg · May 11, 2006 4:42AM

The BEST way to be sure your second chance offer is the REAL DEAL is to change your settings in ebay preferences. Uncheck the box that says to email you second chance offers. Then they real ones go to your ebay email system and any offers you get through your personal account are FAKES.

bushmaster8 · May 11, 2006 4:57AM

<< ...sent the seller a PM on the coin. >>

That usually does it... the real seller will tell you he did not send any 2nd chancers if it's a spoof.

However, if the spoofer POS and the real seller actually did send a 2nd chancer, it may be hard to tell which one is legit.

WWW · May 11, 2006 5:13AM

I got the exact same E-mail today. A different e-Bay seller, but with the same E-mail address listed in the SCO: ngccoins@yahoo.com
I checked the header and it's a complete fake. I forwarded it to the robots at e-Bay and expect nothing to be done.

sinin1 · May 11, 2006 5:29AM

real ones show up on the My Messages on your My eBay page

holadude · May 11, 2006 5:36AM

I just accept that I lost the auction in the first place and move on. If it is truely a second offer, they will probably put it back up for sale anyway unless someone bites in the offer.

Boom · May 11, 2006 5:54AM

<< A real email has your actual name, not your ebay name, with something along the lines of "(Your registered name is included to show this message originated from eBay)" >>

With all due respect Jeremy this isn't always true. I have received bogus yet very convincing looking email that would have fooled anyone because it looked exactly like an authentic eBay message and called me (as you say) by my Name and my buyer's ID.

It was not in my messages and therefore a very brilliant piece of phishing email. Most of us, including myself, would easily have fallen for it.

There are times when I send out second chance offers because I have multiples and the underbidder(s) was/ were like just a few cents short of the winning bid. When I do this I always go to the contact member feature and write to them there so that eBay can witness and then I send the same exact copied and pasted message to them thru conventional email, helping them feel at ease by providing my ID along with my telephone # or just whatever it takes and many times I have had people reply and accept the offer.

It makes sense to do this when you have realized a target price because you don't have to paay to relist, only final value fees.

I hope this helps.

(JMHO)

jabba · May 11, 2006 10:28PM

Well it was real, to bad I droped my money on a 3-leger!

Hello,

Thank you for writing to eBay with your concerns about the email you
received.

I can confirm that the message you received was an official email
message sent on behalf of eBay. This message was sent because you
indicated in your preferences that you wished to receive these types of
messages. Remember, if you get an email sent to your registered eBay
email address that looks like it's from eBay about a problem with your
account or requesting personal information, check My Messages first. If
it's not there, it's a fake email.

To check My Messages, simply click the "My eBay" button at the top of
most eBay pages - you may be asked to sign in. "My Messages" will appear
at the top of the My eBay page.

If you do not wish to receive messages such as these in the future, you
may want to change your notification preferences. In order to view and
update the notification preferences to your account, please follow the
steps below:

1. Click the "My eBay" button at the top of any eBay page.
2. From My eBay, click the "Preferences" link located under the "My
Account" heading in the column on the left side of the page.
3. Click the "Edit" link under the heading "Notification Preferences" at
the top of the next page. You may be asked to sign in.
4. On the following page, you will see a list of check boxes. A checked
box means you will receive a notification, and you can click on the
checkbox to turn the notification off.
5. Once you are finished choosing your preferences, please scroll to the
bottom of the page and click the "Save" button.

Also, to help you better protect yourself from fake eBay and PayPal Web
sites, we have developed a feature for the eBay Toolbar called "Account
Guard." Account Guard includes an indicator that lets you know when you
are on an eBay or PayPal Web site or a known spoof (or "phishing") site.
Account Guard also includes buttons to report fake eBay Web sites, and a
password notification feature that warns you when you may be entering
your eBay password on an unverified site.

To learn more about the eBay Toolbar with Account Guard go to
www.ebay.com, click on "Downloads" at the bottom of the page, and then
click on the "eBay Toolbar" link.

Furthermore, If you are ever concerned about an email you receive from
eBay, simply follow these steps:

1. Open a new Web browser and type www.ebay.com into your browser
address field to go directly to the eBay site.
2. On eBay, sign into your account and click the "My eBay" button at the
top of the page.
3. Check the My Messages section located at the top of the My eBay page.
If an email affects your eBay account, it's now in My Messages. Any
email sent to your registered eBay email address from eBay or from
another eBay member via eBay's member-to-member communication system
will now appear in My Messages.

Thank you for being part of the eBay community. I hope this information
helps.

Regards,

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From: <jabbadn@aol.com>
To: eBay Customer Support <rswebhelp@ebay.com>
Subject: Fwd: eBay Second Chance Offer for Item #8413276504: 1802/1
DRAPED BUST EARLY ...

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BUST EARLY HALF DOLLAR PCGS F12 1ST GEN
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eBay sent this message to (jabba666).
Your registered name is included to show this message originated from
eBay. Learn more. Second Chance Offer
eBay sent this message on behalf of an eBay member via My Messages.
Responses sent using email will go to the eBay member directly and will
include your email address. Just send an email to the seller's email
address ngccoins@yahoo.com to buy this item.
Second Chance Offer from paxton84moss Item:
1802/1 DRAPED BUST EARLY HALF DOLLAR PCGS F12 1ST GEN This message
was sent after the listing closed. . Good
news! The following eBay item on which you placed a bid for US $1,500.00
is now available for purchase: Your Price:
US $1,500.00 Offer end date: -14-06 02:49:24 PDT
Second Chance Offer
The seller, ngccoins@yahoo.com is making this Second Chance Offer
because the high bidder was either unable to complete the transaction or
the seller has a duplicate item for sale.
The selling of this item through Second Chance Offer is in compliance
with eBay policy; you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller
and will be eligible for all eBay services associated with a
transaction, such as fraud protection. Act Now - This Offer
Expires Soon
To take advantage of this opportunity, please act quickly.
You may purchase this item by contact the seller at his email address
ngccoins@yahoo.com:

Details for item number: 8413276504

Item name: 1802/1 DRAPED BUST EARLY HALF DOLLAR PCGS F12 1ST GEN
Item URL: http://cgi.ebay.com/1802-1-DRAPED-BUST-EARLY-HALF-DOLLAR-PCGS-F12-1ST-GEN_W0QQitemZ8413276504QQcategoryZ11976QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Thank you,
eBay Marketplace Safety Tip
You can be sure a Second Chance Offer is from your seller when you see
it in email inbox or other folder Is this email
inappropriate? Does it violate eBay policy? Help protect the community
by reporting it. This eBay notice was
sent this to you on behalf of another eBay member through the eBay
platform and in accordance with our Privacy Policy. If you would like to
receive this email in text format, change your notification preferences.
See our Privacy Policy and User Agreement if you have questions about
eBay's communication policies.
Privacy Policy: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html
User Agreement: http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
Copyright © 2006 eBay, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective
owners.
eBay and the eBay logo are registered trademarks or trademarks of eBay,
Inc.
eBay is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125.
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bhartman35 · May 11, 2006 11:51PM

Jabba:

Even though it turned out to be real, I still wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Much better to be safe than sorry, as they say.

jabba · May 12, 2006 12:27AM

<< Jabba:

Even though it turned out to be real, I still wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Much better to be safe than sorry, as they say. >>

You got that right!!! The seller never did return my e-mail to him??? Im never going to do any dealing's with 2nd chance again, why cant e-bay make this a safe system?

cheezhed · May 12, 2006 9:33AM

I just got one of those fake ones as well.

The e-mail I got said to contact the seller at such and such e-mail address.

I looked up the old auction and it isn't even the same person.

keoj · May 12, 2006 9:37AM

I received 2 fakes ones today. Ebay needs to reign this in.

keoj

TWQG · May 12, 2006 9:44AM

<< real ones show up on the My Messages on your My eBay page >>

-This simple fact bares repeating.

Russ · May 12, 2006 9:46AM

I've never gotten a fake second chance offer. I'd guess it's because the slimeballs don't waste them on cheap asses.

Russ, NCNE

Conder101 · May 12, 2006 6:44PM

<< << real ones show up on the My Messages on your My eBay page >>

-This simple fact bares repeating. >>

The odd thing is that Jabba has never said whether or not the second chance offer was in his My eBay. Something still seems very wrong here. The email says the regisered name is included so you will know it is real, but the email DOES NOT include the registered name. Ebay says it is real, but when he contacts the seller who is supposedly offering the second chance, he gets no response. You would think that if the wanted to sell the coin they would have responded.

So how about it Jabba, was the email in your My eBay?

jabba · May 14, 2006 6:08AM

when I got the 2nd chance offer It only came to my e-mail not "My E-bay" so when there was nothing in there thats when I sent it to e-bay spoof because I thought it was fake. They e-mailed me back saying it was real but the seller never did e-mail me back so I cant trust it.
The odd thing is when they e-mailed me back to tell me it was real they sent a copy to my e-mail and My e-bay. So why did the 2nd chance offer never end up in my e-bay? Do I need to change a setting?

fcloud · May 14, 2006 8:29AM

The only time I was stung on ebay was with a second chance offer (luckily it only cost me a few bucks for that lesson). I assume they are all a bunch of garbage and delete them no matter how much I may want the item.

TwoSides2aCoin · May 14, 2006 9:20AM

<----Reminds self.... "never send second chance offer"

Conder101 · May 14, 2006 3:02PM

<< when I got the 2nd chance offer It only came to my e-mail not "My E-bay" so when there was nothing in there thats when I sent it to e-bay spoof because I thought it was fake. They e-mailed me back saying it was real but the seller never did e-mail me back so I cant trust it.
The odd thing is when they e-mailed me back to tell me it was real they sent a copy to my e-mail and My e-bay. So why did the 2nd chance offer never end up in my e-bay? Do I need to change a setting? >>

No you don't need to change a setting. If the second chance offer had been legit it should have gone through their system and it should have been in My eBay. I'm wondering if the response you got from spoof@eBay.com was smply an automated answer and if they have managed to come up with a way to trick spoof. And spoof is not infallible. Some people in the past have tried forwarding the standard "end of auction" emails to spoof and had them reported back as being fake.

How can you tell if a 2nd chance offer is real or not??? Update its was the real deal!

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