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Need help...What's the scarcest Ike and SBA 1$ in PCGS MS65?

fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
A friend of mine has been building a 20th century PCGS graded type set in MS65 all coins are blazing white, all the copper is blazing red. He has been working on this set for years. All the coins are the key date for the various series. He has completed his set sans the Ike and the SBA 1$. He asked me to find out which Ike dollar and SBA would be the scacest in blast white PCGS MS65.
Mucho thanks for any help or whom I could PM to find this out.

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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    Well, for the IKE's, the 1972 Type 2 in 65 has the lowest PCGS Pop counts so I guess that would be the scarcest/key for that series. Actually, anything for 1972 would fit the scarecest/key definition with the exception of the 72-D. Type 1, 2, or 3 determination can be located here. Next up would be either the 1971 or the 1976 Type 1 in MS65.

    For the SBA he'll be wanting either an 1981-S for a non-specific variety or a 1979-P Wide Rim for a specific variety. Information on the wide rim variety can be found here.


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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421
    In the Ike, I would guess a 1972 Type 2. He will have to pay big bucks for that, probably too much. On the SBA a 1979-P wide rim.
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He is not interested in the varities. Just the "normal" coins.image
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    << <i>Well, for the IKE's, the 1972 Type 2 in 65 has the lowest PCGS Pop counts so I guess that would be the scarcest/key for that series. Actually, anything for 1972 would fit the scarecest/key definition with the exception of the 72-D. Type 1, 2, or 3 determination can be located here. Next up would be either the 1971 or the 1976 Type 1 in MS65.

    For the SBA he'll be wanting either an 1981-S for a non-specific variety or a 1979-P Wide Rim for a specific variety. Information on the wide rim variety can be found here. >>



    the 81 clear s SBA proof books higher in the red book and for all intents would be a "scarcer" albeit, UGLY coin. IMO. Sorry, this coin is just hideous.
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He's only interested in the business strikes, not the proofs.
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    The weights in the non variety registry sets should be a good indicator.

    1972 P IKE

    1981-S SBA
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    Then the 1981-S SBA and a 1972 IKE. EOS!

    And no, the 1981-S is not a proof, its a business strike that was only available in the mint sets.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    << <i>Then the 1981-S SBA and a 1972 IKE. EOS!

    And no, the 1981-S is not a proof, its a business strike that was only available in the mint sets. >>



    Red Book has i as a PF-65, but hey, its the red book and we all know how accurate that can be image
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, there was also a 1981-S Proof coin in addition to the 1981-S Business strike the same as there is a 1964 Kennedy proof along with a 1964 Kennedy business strike. Believe it or not, at one time the San Francisco Mint did punch out business strike coins! image Not any more though, which can coinfuse the issue.
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    The scarcest SBA in MS65 could be the 1980-S in Full Talons (FT): both the Wide Rim (which is a full member of the series) and the 81-S tend toward FT whereas the 1980-S in FT is not common. The lead article in May Numismatist can introduce you to FT.

    The 1980-S in MS65 can be had, with patience, for around $20 but it will increase in value sharply as Full Talons catches on.

    The Wide Rim in 65 is around $100 and the 81-S around $125.

    If your friend does not want to get involved in the three different 1972 Ikes - and like the Wide Rim, these are fully integrated into the series - then he should go for either the 1973 or 1974 in MS65 as these have the original reverse design but with a higher profile than the 1971 and thus more attractive. These are readily available in the $50 - 100 range.

    And/or he could consider the 1976 Type 1 in MS65 as this year had the Liberty Bell/moon reverse instead of the eagle landing reverse. Cost will run around $200.

    "Blast white" is not a big issue for any of these modern nickel dollars but your friend should be aware that some such have been dipped prior to encapsulation: if not dipped and rinsed well, they have a tendency to develope unattractive toning with age.

    Rob

    Modern dollars are like children - before you know it they'll be all grown up.....

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    GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374


    << <i>Well, for the IKE's, the 1972 Type 2 in 65 has the lowest PCGS Pop counts so I guess that would be the scarcest/key for that series. Actually, anything for 1972 would fit the scarecest/key definition with the exception of the 72-D. Type 1, 2, or 3 determination can be located here. Next up would be either the 1971 or the 1976 Type 1 in MS65.

    For the SBA he'll be wanting either an 1981-S for a non-specific variety or a 1979-P Wide Rim for a specific variety. Information on the wide rim variety can be found here. >>



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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MDN...he has not interest whatsoever in striking issues.image

    19Lyds....the 1981-S and the 1972-P...thanks!!
    edited to add... Thanks also joeyuk!!
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,162 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    the 81 clear s SBA proof books higher in the red book and for all intents would be a "scarcer" albeit, UGLY coin. IMO. Sorry, this coin is just hideous. >>



    The '81-S type II proof does sell for a higher price sometimes but it is actually a more common
    coin and the price is a reflection of much higher demand. It is estimated that more than half a
    million of these were made.
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    GandyjaiGandyjai Posts: 1,380 ✭✭
    I can only talk about Ikes, I don't know enough about SBA's.

    71-P, 72-P, 76-P Type 1 are all good candidates for "regular" Ikes.
    For Ike Varieties,...71-S Peg-Leg DDO-007, 72-P Type 1 or 2, 71-D and 74-D Peg-Legs.

    Brian


    I LOVE image PEG-LEG, ERROR, & TONED IKES image
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    CoinHuskerCoinHusker Posts: 5,034 ✭✭✭
    He might have to sacrifice one thing for another. If he wants blast white to match the rest of his type set, it will be difficult to find scarcity. If he's looking for scarcity, it may be difficult finding blast white in that date. I guess it would depend on what he's really looking for to complete his set.
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