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This is, without a doubt, the most questionable 65RD IH of all time

shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
NGC had its dark ages of grading IHs. This coin is the ultimate example.

If someone covered the label on this coin would you know what the date is?

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    I enlarged the coin 300% in Photoshop and I still couldn't tell what the date was!
    If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.

    -- Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows


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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    In case you think I altered this coin, as I'm inclined to do on my website, here's the link to Heritage.

    You cant make this stuff up.
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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could tell with the zoom view on Heritage, but I agree with your premise that this is not a 65RD
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    robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Agreed, the date is visable but it's probably not a 65RD (disclaimer: I have not viewed said coin in person), it may have been at the time of grading. I think the prints and other darkspots may have developed after slabbing.
    Here's the Heritage Zoom photo:
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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    When you have to Zoom into a coin to determine the date I'm inclined to believe MS65 is out of the question.


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    roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,374 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guessed 1864 correctly...........without looking. I've seen old holder PCGS reds as well that have turned spotty and were no longer reds.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
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    goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    do you think it's been cleaned though Paul?image
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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    Although I know you have seen many, many MS-65 Red indian cents, I've seen even worse in MS-65 Red holders. Just check out Heritage auctions on eBay, and there you will see some pathetic coins being sold as MS-64 Red and MS-65 Red.

    That is one sad coin.

    Tom
    Tom

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    RedneckHBRedneckHB Posts: 20,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've seen old holder PCGS reds as well that have turned spotty and were no longer reds.

    Especially in OGH's.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

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    fcfc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭
    i think collecting IHCs is one of the main top 10 series that
    has more pitfalls then others.

    way too many IHs that people dislike here, i really did not
    see anything wrong with them. doh image
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    shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Tom - I've seen horribly graded IH's but none graded 65RD where the date was illegible.

    This is NGC at their worst. NGC hit rock bottom with their IH grading in the 1990's and
    they may never regain fair market value due to this era.

    IH collectors understand this.

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    MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    My first thought was that it must have turned in the holder........ image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
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    << <i>My first thought was that it must have turned in the holder........ image >>



    Mine too...old NGC no line fatty with nothing to seperate the paper lable from the coin. I know that Morgans are famous for picking up blue and gold rim toning due to long term storage in these old holder so I would think that it would certainly be possible for it to affect copper. As for the date....I have my doubts that in hand the date would still be difficult to read.....looks like the lighting and possible angle etc is effecting the way we view the date. image
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    I've got a novice question about the RD designation:

    RD stands for "Red", doesn't it? Does anyone see any redness in that coin? It looks more golden to me....
    If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.

    -- Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows


    My Ebay Auctions
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    fcfc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭
    i will also bite with a novice question.
    why is the word bronze on the label with RD?
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    tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    The government started making bronze cents in 1864 and continued with basically the same alloy until 1962. Bronze comes in different colors, but should look like a new copper cent that we all know and love. They are called "red" when they are 95% red (5% or less brown). The color can mellow a tad and still be called red. Red means copper color, not red as in "fire engine red".

    Tom
    Tom

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    Hi, Tom.

    Thanks for the explanation. When I read "red", I was expecting something more along the lines of a pre-1982 cent, which is why I got confused.
    If you haven't noticed, I'm single and miserable and I've got four albums of bitching about it that I would offer as proof.

    -- Adam Duritz, of Counting Crows


    My Ebay Auctions
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That is pretty pathetic. In general, NGC IHC's can't hold their own with PCGS same-grade coins but this takes the cake.
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    rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    That is a true pig and a perfect example of why you should always buy sight seen....I too believe the coin turned in the holder -- those fat boy holders darkened several of my coins - however, I wonder whose fingerprint is smeared on the OBVERSE?? Lets match it against known NGC graders.... image
    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
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