If Jimmy Rollins breaks the hitting streak record...

Axtell · April 2, 2006 3:42PM

...how many of you would say it shouldn't count, because it didn't happen in the same season?

To me, I know the people who will say no are the (a) old timers who don't feel any of today's players match up, and (b) yankee lovers who feel that no yankee record should ever be broken.

I think it would be MORE difficult to break it over the course of 2 seasons, as you lose momentum and the feeling of being able to get a hit every time up in that long layoff.

What do you say?

Boopotts · April 2, 2006 4:02PM

<< ...how many of you would say it shouldn't count, because it didn't happen in the same season?

To me, I know the people who will say no are the (a) old timers who don't feel any of today's players match up, and (b) yankee lovers who feel that no yankee record should ever be broken.

I think it would be MORE difficult to break it over the course of 2 seasons, as you lose momentum and the feeling of being able to get a hit every time up in that long layoff.

What do you say? >>

I think it should count, since I don't see why having it happen over two seasons should make the event more or less likely to occur. The 'end of the season' is an artificially constructed break point. In a sense, it's all 'one long season', as far as one's career is concerned.

yankeeno7 · April 2, 2006 5:13PM

I say your preoccupation with anything Yankees is getting a bit boring.

1420sports · April 2, 2006 10:27PM

A hitting streak is a hitting streak.

JrMacdaddy · April 2, 2006 11:34PM

<< A hitting streak is a hitting streak. >>

ditto

softparade · April 2, 2006 11:40PM

<< I say your preoccupation with anything Yankees is getting a bit boring. >>

Actually Barry, its funny as all get out.

Its what keeps Axtell from being a productive poster. Almost like crack to a junkie.

anyway, a streak is a streak even if it jumps seasons.

baseballfanatic · April 2, 2006 11:41PM

I'm as "old timer" as they come and would love to see Jimmy Rollins break the streak. I am also a Yankee fan and would love to see Joe D's record eclipsed. So much for stereotyping..............

megatron · April 3, 2006 12:27AM

I don't know how to answer this question as I'm sure it will be debated for a long time to come if he does achieve it. Heck, how many people will even remember that he had a hitting streak going into this season?

Also, one thing to note about Joe Di Maggio's hitting streak. The reason that it has been so difficult to replicate is that the 56-game hitting streak is not as pure as it is portrayed by many "old timers". On at least two occasions, DiMaggio reached base on an error that was scored a hit. Not many people know that he was a very good friend of the Yankee scorekeeper.

Given the technology in today's age, something like this would not go unnoticed.

And I love Joe DiMaggio more than most people simply because for me, he transcended baseball and brought the Italian-American culture into the mainstream. But, as with most baseball stats, there is a deeper story than what you simply read in the headlines.

Axtell · April 3, 2006 2:21AM

<< I say your preoccupation with anything Yankees is getting a bit boring. >>

And yet you can't resist posting?

I find your preoccupation with my threads to be a bit boring...either you are interested and you post replies, or get the hell out. It's pretty easy.

halosfan · April 3, 2006 2:35AM

I would expect there to be an asterisk attached if it does happen as it is with all streaks that cross two seasons.

yankeeno7 · April 3, 2006 2:54AM

Awwww...my feelings were hurt!

NOT!

Wabittwax · April 3, 2006 5:28AM

The streak should count. What would happen if the streak were 170 games?

onlyanumber · April 3, 2006 5:42AM

It would count as longest streak and longest streak over two seasons. Dimaggio would still have the longest streak in a single season record. Gotta love the people that publish the record books.

Axtell · April 3, 2006 5:53AM

I don't see how the official record books couldn't give him the record. It's 'consecutive' games, there is no mention of one or 2 seasons.

frankhardy · April 3, 2006 6:44AM

He is up against Carpenter today and he os 0 for 3.

WeekendHacker · April 3, 2006 6:55AM

Of course it counts!! At least it would be over two seasons so he couldn't beat out a triple crown winner for the league MVP like Joe D did that year to Teddy Ballgame. But I don't blame that on either Joe D or the Splendid Splinter, I blame it on the lousy Boston baseball writers who completely left Ted off the ballot!!

Susquehanna · April 3, 2006 7:44AM

ctsoxfan · April 3, 2006 8:24AM

Of course it counts - and if he somehow does it, you would also have to recognize how much harder this is to accomplish today versus the JoeD era. Forget the errors that were "hits" given to him to keep the streak alive, JoeD didn't have to face all of these 1 inning relief specialists either.

JoeBanzai · April 3, 2006 10:32AM

It counts as far as I am concerned.

JB

1420sports · April 3, 2006 10:41AM

If "someone" (don't want to jinx) broke it, there would not be an asterisk. It would state

57 - Someone 2005-06
56 - Joe D 1941

I was at the game today, and it was great to see someone get a hit

tkd7 · April 4, 2006 1:00AM

It counts. If Jimmy does it, he deserves it. Amazing what he has done already. I heard that Ted Williams never had a streak over 30 games.

Coinhusker1 · April 4, 2006 8:13AM

Of note also is he is only 7 away from Pete Rose's NL record!!

Jersey · April 4, 2006 1:09PM

I hope he does it. It will be one more crack in the armor of the "illustrious" yankees.

WinPitcher · April 4, 2006 11:39PM

And so if he gets hurt and does not play another game this yr. it goes into next yr? cmon.

Dimaggio will hold the SINGLE SEASON record.

Rollins will simply hold the record for most hits over 2 seasons.
which by the way I consider a feat as great as the single seasons. it is though a different record.

a few years back when hershieser was threatening drysdale's record this very topic came up and it was debated. The game though went into extra innings and it was averted.

JMO

Steve

Axtell · April 5, 2006 3:03AM

There isn't a 'single season' consecutive games hits record.

It's consecutive games. Nowhere does it state 'single season'.

I hope he does it.

CardCoreCollector · April 5, 2006 3:10AM

Listening to WFAN yesterday they mentioned that Elias sports will basically break it into 2 catagories

single season consecutive game hit streak and just consecutive game hit streak

After reading Axtell's Joe D article that he posted a while back about how the official scorers basically gave him hits in a couple games that really shouldn't have been scored hits, perhaps if Rolling breaks it it's an even greater feat that Joe D's. As far as i know there hasn't been any controversy about Rollins streak yet

Dave

fsjeter · April 5, 2006 3:30AM

From the Major League Baseball site:

Hitting Streaks
Players with at least one hit in at least 30 consecutive games in one season.

Rank Year Name Team Games
1 1941 Joe DiMaggio New York (AL) 56
2 1897 Willie Keeler Baltimore (NL) 44
1978 Pete Rose Cincinnati 44
4 1894 Bill Dahlen Chicago (NL) 42
5 1922 George Sisler St. Louis (AL) 41
6 1911 Ty Cobb Detroit 40
7 1987 Paul Molitor Milwaukee 39
8 1945 Tommy Holmes Boston (NL) 37
9 1894 Billy Hamilton Philadelphia (NL) 36
10 1895 Fred Clarke Louisville (NL) 35
1917 Ty Cobb Detroit 35
2002 Luis Castillo Florida 35
13 1925 George Sisler St. Louis (AL) 34
1938 George McQuinn St. Louis (AL) 34
1949 Dom DiMaggio Boston (AL) 34
1987 Benito Santiago San Diego 34
17 1893 George Davis New York (NL) 33
1907 Hal Chase New York (AL) 33
1922 Rogers Hornsby St. Louis (NL) 33
1933 Heinie Manush Washington 33
21 1899 Ed Delahanty Philadelphia (NL) 31
1906 Nap Lajoie Cleveland 31
1924 Sam Rice Washington 31
1969 Willie Davis Los Angeles 31
1970 Rico Carty Atlanta 31
1980 Ken Landreaux Minnesota 31
1999 Vladimir Guerrero Montreal 31
28 1876 Cal McVey Chicago (NL) 30
1898 Elmer Smith Cincinnati 30
1912 Tris Speaker Boston (AL) 30
1934 Goose Goslin Detroit 30
1950 Stan Musial St. Louis (NL) 30
1976 Ron LeFlore Detroit 30
1980 George Brett Kansas City 30
1989 Jerome Walton Chicago (NL) 30
1997 Sandy Alomar, Jr. Cleveland 30
1997 Nomar Garciaparra Boston 30
1998 Eric Davis Baltimore 30
1999 Luis Gonzalez Arizona 30
2003 Albert Pujols St. Louis 30

Right or wrong, it does appear that MLB recognizes the streak over a single season and not more than one. At any rate, it is an incredible feat.

Scott

fsjeter · April 5, 2006 3:54AM

This, however, was taken from Baseball Almanac.

Rollins Hit Streak Reaches 36

The streak will remain active for next season, and Rollins will need a hit in 21 more games to pass Joe DiMaggio's 65-year-old record. The record-setting game would come next April, pending no rainouts and no games sat out.

If Rollins does it, he would be recognized as the all-time leader, but not as the single-season leader, unless he kept it going.

Source: MLB.com (Ken Mandel, 10/02/2005).

I stand corrected. MLB would recognize the record if he passes it.

Scott

Axtell · April 5, 2006 6:18AM

<< 
After reading Axtell's Joe D article that he posted a while back about how the official scorers basically gave him hits in a couple games that really shouldn't have been scored hits, perhaps if Rolling breaks it it's an even greater feat that Joe D's. As far as i know there hasn't been any controversy about Rollins streak yet

Dave >>

Shh...don't let it get out you dared to question the greatness of Joe D's streak...you'll be labelled as a traitor who cannot be trusted.

I couldn't believe it that the hometown yankee announcer was the 'official' scorer in those games, and several 'hits' that by any other scorer would have been labelled errors were passed on as legitimate.

glmueller · April 5, 2006 6:41AM

not going to happen-any way...................

WinPitcher · April 5, 2006 7:12AM

There isn't a 'single season' consecutive games hits record.

LOL Yes there is. And Joe Dimaggio holds it. maybe next time before you shoot your mouth off know what the heck you're talking about.

Steve

WinPitcher · April 5, 2006 7:34AM

couldn't believe it that the hometown yankee announcer was the 'official' scorer in those games, and several 'hits' that by any other scorer would have been labelled errors were passed on as legitimate.

Fwiw all the teams used local writers back in those days. The yankees were not the only ones. So I would assume that many other players had the same advantage. I can't believe how you find it so incredible How many hits did Ichiro get at home that on the road could have possibly been called errors? NONE??????

Steve

Axtell · April 5, 2006 11:15AM

WP why don't you read what jester posted you dope? MLB has announced they will recognize Rollins' hitting streak as the longest, even though it occured over two seasons.

He got another hit tonight.

Why are you so adamant about this? Unless you are (a) someone who doesn't think today's players hold a candle to the 'all time' greats, or (b) wanting to run your mouth because this was my post. I'm leaning towards (b)

For him to break the record would be (to me at least) nearly as impressive as Ichiro breaking the single season hits record. Hits record has stood for a much longer time, and represents hitting excellence over an entire season, so I give that one the nod.

GlynRParson · April 5, 2006 12:21PM

should count and i too feel its harder over two years.

WinPitcher · April 5, 2006 10:30PM

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WP why don't you read what jester posted you dope

I did and he stated:

Right or wrong, it does appear that MLB recognizes the streak over a single season and not more than one. At any rate, it is an incredible feat.

Scott

go back and re read my original post.

I think that is what i said. It will be TWO records. NO where did I say what Rollins is doing is not GREAT.

You never answered my question about Ichiro. How convenient.

Steve

fsjeter · April 6, 2006 2:09AM

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No offense Win but I did correct myself in the next post.

<<WP why don't you read what jester posted you dope?>>

Axtel, the name is Jeter not jester. I'll thank you to get that right in the future.

Scott Jeter

WinPitcher · April 6, 2006 2:33AM

If Rollins does it, he would be recognized as the all-time leader, but not as the single-season leader, unless he kept it going.

Just so everyone understands.

in my initial post i said basically the same thing. as what jeter said.

I said: Dimaggio will hold the SINGLE SEASON record.

Rollins will hold the concecutive game record.

Steve

WinPitcher · April 6, 2006 2:41AM

The streak will remain active for next season, and Rollins will need a hit in 21 more games to pass Joe DiMaggio's 65-year-old record. The record-setting game would come next April, pending no rainouts and no games sat out.

If Rollins does it, he would be recognized as the all-time leader, but not as the single-season leader, unless he kept it going.

Seems to me that is what I was saying all along.

Seems to me that there is indeed a SINGLE SEASON RECORD.

AXHOLE answer the question I posed regarding ICHIRO

Fsjeter no offece taken as we were saying the same thing.

only dope here is axhole as many can attest to.

Steve

Axtell · April 6, 2006 3:32AM

Consecutive games is consecutive games...WP why are your panties in such a twist over this? Is it because you don't think Rollins is a worthy record breaker? Or are you deadset in thinking the old time players are soooo much more talented?

Either way, if Rollins breaks the record of CONSECUTIVE games, and not recognizing it because it happened over 2 seasons is assinine.

And apologies jeter, transposed the s into the middle.

WinPitcher · April 6, 2006 5:30AM

Axhole your an idiot I never said it should not be recognised. As a matter of fact I said it would be a RECORD. If anyone has panties in a twist over this it is you. now you shot your mouth out about official scorers and dimaggios record and I asked you a question and in typical axhole style you avoided answering it Did Ichiro get the benifit (like dimaggio) during his record breaking year?
YES or NO ??

And just so you do not twist what i said, IN MY FIRST POST, and because you are dense I'll repeat myself.

Dimaggio HOLDS the record for consecutive game hitting streak. At the present it is a SINGLE season record. IF Rollins breaks this record by hitting in 57 or more games HE will HOLD the RECORD for consecutive games PERIOD.

And to just add a lil more I feel that what Rollins is doin is harder then what J D occomplished as JD had the benefit of playing during a hot streak while Rollins had an off season to contend with I hope he does it too

did i get thru that cement head of yours?

Steve

WinPitcher · April 6, 2006 5:34AM

Either way, if Rollins breaks the record of CONSECUTIVE games, and not recognizing it because it happened over 2 seasons is assinine.

What is assinine Axhole is you. You interpret what people say in that twisted head you have and never do you understand what they say.

show me where I would not recognise Rollins??

Steve

kuhlmann · April 6, 2006 5:36AM

he wont do it anyway.. i dont think he will make 45. might not make 39

WinPitcher · April 6, 2006 5:39AM

Determining player performance streaks:
Consecutive Hitting Streaks: A consecutive hitting streak shall not be terminated if the plate appearance results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. A sacrifice fly shall terminate the streak.

Consecutive-Game Hitting Streaks: A consecutive-game hitting streak shall not be terminated if all the player's plate appearances (one or more) results in a base on balls, hit batsman, defensive interference or a sacrifice bunt. The streak shall terminate if the player has a sacrifice fly and no hit. The player's individual consecutive-game hitting streak shall be determined by the consecutive games in which the player appears and is not determined by his club's games.

Consecutive Playing Streak: A consecutive-game playing streak shall be extended if the player plays one half-inning on defense, or if he completes a time at bat by reaching base or being put out. A pinch-running appearance only shall not extend the streak. If an umpire ejects a player from a game before he can comply with the requirements of this rule, his streak shall continue.

No where does it say a player can do it over seasons. By the same token it does not say he can't either.

With that said ,I stand by my original post.

Dimaggio will hold the single season record.

Rollins will hold the consecutive game record period.

Steve

SoFLPhillyFan · April 6, 2006 8:40AM

<< <>

No offense Win but I did correct myself in the next post.

<<WP why don't you read what jester posted you dope?>>

Axtel, the name is Jeter not jester. I'll thank you to get that right in the future.

Scott Jeter >>

But we do have a Jester. It is Axtell.

The CU Sports Talk Court Jester, not to be confused with Brokeback Axtell (his more sensitive persona).

Sing JesterAxtell. Dance for us. Tell us more funny stories about corruption in sports and invalid records!!!

Have another thread deleted!

GoYankeesGo · April 6, 2006 11:05AM

It's over.

Even if Rollins had "broken" the record, I agree with WinPitcher. DiMaggio would still hold the single season record and Rollins would have had a new record over two seasons.

With today's specialized relief pitching the Single Season "56" Game Hit Streak is going to be the hardest record in MLB to break.

WinPitcher · April 6, 2006 11:36AM

And so I await Axhole and his reply regarding Ichiro and the single season hits record.

Did he benefit from home town official scoring ever?

I guess he is hiding under his bed. with his thumb in his mouth.

Steve

stevek · April 6, 2006 11:39AM

Axtell gave Rollins hitting streak the kiss of death by starting this thread

GoYankeesGo · April 6, 2006 12:21PM

And so I await Axhole and his reply regarding Ichiro and the single season hits record.

Axtell is just one smart fellow who felt smart.

The only problem is that it is constant and he often feels smart especially when it comes to his choice of drugs, the Yankees.

Axtell · April 6, 2006 1:02PM

WP-

I highly doubt Ichiro benefitted from any bias, one way or the other, when it came to the hits record. But, since I didn't see every single at bat, I can't comment for sure.

However, in this day and age, with the countless scrutiny and 24 hour talk radio, if he had, wouldn't you have heard a peep about it?

Hmm that's what I thought. Do you shut your mouth now?

WinPitcher · April 6, 2006 11:05PM

Axhole that is the most ridicoulous statement you could have made. You are saying that he never got a 'home town ruling' ? That he never beat out a dribbler that was bobbled and the local scorer gave him the hit? Thaqt not once a fly ball that tipped off an outfielders glove was recorded as a hit and not an error? What does talk radio have to do with anything? he plays out in the boondocks (do they even have a radio station out there)?

Now go back under the bed and suck your thumb.

jeese louise you are something, that great icon of yours never got the benefit of the doubt for even 1 hit? Because you did not hear about it?

I have a bridge I can sell you.

Steve

theo934 · April 7, 2006 1:18AM

I went bowling with a buddy one night for midnight bowling. It was like 10 bucks, and all you can bowl for the night or something, so we both set up 2 games each in the scoring machine - meaning Every Other time we bowled, it went to a different score (william's game 1, then my game 1, then william's game 2, then my game 2, then back to the top)
Well, my buddy bowled a Strike, then spare, then strike then split, then strike then spare, then strike then open, then strike, then open....etc, etc for 9 frames!
So the first game he had going, on the scoreboard for everyone to see, was NINE Consecutive perfect strikes going into the 10th and final frame. Now he did not get the perfect 300, as he did not strike out the 10th but IF he had, would that be a perfect game? I mean, techically everytime he bowled in THAT game's frames, he got a strike, so he COULD have gotten it, right!?

Ok, so now let me ask you this.

Did Tiger win the "Grand Slam" when he won all four major touneys in a row, but did not do it all in the same year??

this was a big source of controversy for a time in the golf world. Most people like tiger and want him to be the god of the game, so they say it is ok that he did it the way he did it, but purists are not so quick to accept it.

if you say Tiger DID get the Grand Slam, then Jimmy can spread his hits over two seasons

but if you said Tiger Did NOT get it officially, then no, Jimmy cant use two different seasons.

And while it might not SAY "single season" in the record books, I think that is the spirt of the record.
as there have likely never been anyone else who wrapped around to second season with a streak like this.

***(plus, do post season hits count? what if he had a streak going, missed hits in the post season, then picked back up in the next season... seems suspect to me)

If Jimmy Rollins breaks the hitting streak record...

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