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Two 1965 SMS Lincolns. One is $1,900. the other $75. Can You tell them apart?

braddickbraddick Posts: 25,140 ✭✭✭✭✭
There are two 1965 SMS PCGS Lincolns being sold tonight with Teletrade. Neither is CAMEO.
One is currently selling at $1,900.00 and is housed in a PCGS MS68 holder. The other is currently selling at $75. and is holdered PCGS at MS67.

Can you tell them apart?
(No fair peeking at the auctions first!)

Coin One
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Coin Two
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And, if you're able to spot the MS68 from the MS67, is the spread, of of right now, of $1,800.00+ worth it?

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    goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    I'd say the top one looks just a touch nicer.
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    i think i can !

    but no,not for 1800 bucks !
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    fcfc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭
    i would be happy with either.
    this has been a very informative post.
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    GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374
    Coin A..........Big Bucks............
    ......Larry........image
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    Top one is better.
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    the 7 is number 2
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    TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Top one is better. >>



    Ditto.......What a difference ONE point makes.......

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    Illustrates the complete stupidity of purchasing coins split-graded to the point that most collectors cannot even begin to tell the difference.
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    airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,725 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Top one looks nicer... but not $1800 nicer! image
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    AZLARRYAZLARRY Posts: 1,189 ✭✭
    The top one appears to have the better strike. The price difference between the two is amazing.
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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Welcome to the world of top pop Lincolns.
    Doug
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    SciotoScioto Posts: 955
    Coin 1.

    Can I look now to see if I'm right?
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    MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    That price difference and marginal or no quality difference is why I will never buy a top pop coin like that...Mike
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    DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I'd be surprised if the $1900 is a real bid, but time will tell.
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    BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks to me like number 1 is the MS68.
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    Comments on #1...

    Light chatter on the edge of the shoulder, luster looks good, no carbon spots... a little tough to see any small chatter without in hand, but looks pretty clean...

    Comments on #2...

    Light chatter in the right obv field, as well as behind the shoulder... I see 2 small ticks on the shoulder of the bust and a tick to the right of the memorial... coin also looks a bit more brilliant than lustrous... could hurt the overall eye appeal in hand, being somewhere in between brilliant and lustrous...


    So yes... I see a difference image
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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    they only manufactured 2.36 million of those (SMS) ones!

    1.5 billion 1965 cents total.

    gosh those are nice ones though.

    at the top of such a huge Population Pyramid, I'm sure it takes an expert eye to say this one's nicer than that.

    I'm not such an expert.

    given the choice I'd take the top coin and maybe that's the trick question?!?

    either way, I'm not in the market for it at any price, whatever the paper tag says.

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    Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would day coin 1 but the scans ar terrible so It is hard to be 100%
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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin 1 looks a little nicer, but I would go maybe 10-15% higher then coin #2.
    So if coin #2 were to hold at $75, I would be willing to go for $85-$90 for coin #1, anymore would be -----foolish.
    Or I could go out and buy a couple of unc rolls for a few bucks and probably find a decent 65 or maybe a 66 (if I got lucky) and be really happy with it---plus I would end up with about 99 other coins for the penny jar.image
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    cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Coin 1
    Bill

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    joefrojoefro Posts: 1,872 ✭✭
    Coin 1 looks a touch nicer... but that may only be the picture!

    The truth is, to tell the difference (especially an $1800 difference), you would have to see them in hand I'm sure.

    Thanks for the great post!

    Editted to add: This is why I also love my pcgs pr69 DCAM Lincoln Set. PR69 = $15, PR70 = $400, Difference to the naked Eye = ?
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    BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,790 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with the "Coin1 looks better" crowd.

    Still, since I wasn't born in 1965 and don't have a Lincoln Memorial collection, I probably wouldn't go for either image

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    The top one is the better coin, it jumps out and b-slaps me! There also seems to be a few nicks a little above Liberty & the date (on the bot coin). Nice coins. image

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    Door number one holds the fantasy coin...much nicer than what is behind door number 2.
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    FullStepJeffsFullStepJeffs Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭
    Coin #1 = big bucks

    Coin #2 = small bucks

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    segojasegoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
    I'm with the concensus, but not for the price.

    These are tough in high grade, but no way for that. If this coin sells, I'll try to make a few myself.

    I've made some MS68 1966 and 1967 cents (which are tough BTW) and they brought over $250 each.
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    Me thinks the reserve is way high and it wont sell !
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    Number one is MUCH nicer.
    Coins, shiny coins!
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    DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'm with the concensus, but not for the price.

    These are tough in high grade, but no way for that. If this coin sells, I'll try to make a few myself.

    I've made some MS68 1966 and 1967 cents (which are tough BTW) and they brought over $250 each. >>




    There are enough high grade cams for 1966 and 1967 to reduce the value of a 68red in those years.

    1965 is a tough year in high grade, and certainly cameo.
    Doug
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    coin 2 is getting NO love whatsoever...but its a lousy photo compared to pic 1... so im going with pic 2 out of spite image
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,135 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyone who can't tell the difference would be doing himself a disservice to pay
    the higher price. If you can tell the difference then go with the one you feel is
    the better value. If you prefer the better coin but can't or won't ante up the pre-
    mium then welcome to the club. It's a much bigger club than those who will pay
    the price and herein lies the reason for the spread.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    Looks like #1 has more luster...















    so I think somebody would pay $1,900 for #2 image
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    Have to go with # 1 as being the nicer coin although I would take either one. This is the 1 coin I need to finish the 3 year SMS set graded PCGS 67 or better.
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    mcheathmcheath Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭
    from the pics..........#1 is the 68
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    RBinTexRBinTex Posts: 4,328
    "I'd say the top one looks just a touch nicer."

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    It's noteworthy that there is no coin (among 1965 SMS's) currently worth more in either the 1950-Date or the 1959-Date Lincoln w/Varieties proof registry sets.

    This is tied with the 66Cam's (probably a tad less $) & the 65DCAM (a whole lot more $) for registry points/value/weight.

    "...is the spread, [sic] right now, of $1,800.00+ worth it?..."

    It is to people in the registry sets above - I guess image

    Be interesting to see if it actually sold or failed to meet reserve. Guess we'll know in a little bit. image
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    CoxeCoxe Posts: 11,139
    The first one is much nicer. I would say two points nicer, regardless of the slab tags. It has a little better strike but the degree of marks is what sets it apart. That and the lustre. It makes the difference between a perfectly nice set and a really nice set. Value it as you like though. Some of the price steps have gotten insane.
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    morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293


    << <i>The first one is much nicer. I would say two points nicer, regardless of the slab tags. It has a little better strike but the degree of marks is what sets it apart. That and the lustre. It makes the difference between a perfectly nice set and a really nice set. Value it as you like though. Some of the price steps have gotten insane. >>



    I agree--But then I might be just grading the quality of the photos-- image
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    mnmcoinmnmcoin Posts: 2,165
    This coin in MS68 is like modern MS70 coins...I have submitted numerous 1965sms Lincoln that are every bit as worthy of a 68 grade, but you got to get a grader that got laid the previous night to get a 68.

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    sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500
    morris -> 'graders', maybe day after company partyimage
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    jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421
    One is the better coin. No way should there be that price diferential.
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    pharmerpharmer Posts: 8,355
    One is vastly superior to two.
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