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How can you be outbid half an hour after internet bidding closes?
I was still the high bidder on this 45P Washington half an hour after the internet bidding closed. This morning I see I am out bid, but the live floor auction doesn't start until later today. 
Heritage Auction
Another reason I don't like Heritage Auctions.
Dennis

Heritage Auction
Another reason I don't like Heritage Auctions.
Dennis
US Navy CWO3 retired. 12/81-09/04
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
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Heritage allows "after hours" bidding by "legacy" customers (I believe it's called) from their clients.......not sure what the parameters are to become one.
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I have had many other things happen sent the wrong lots more than once. I did some floor bidding & the bid number was not on an item I had bid on so I got that settled before I left they mistook another bidders # on the lot. Never assume check & double check make sure its right before you leave. I have bid at lots of auctions mistakes happen I even had an item stolen before I picked my lots up the auction company never found it.
<< <i>If certain people can bid after hours, then what's the point of offering the coins to the general public at all? >>
Ahh...THAT is what separates the big spenders from the rest of us riff-raff. If they can squeeze a few extra buck out of a customer then that's the name of the game. They make the more well-heeled feel privileged, feed their egos by allowing them something others can't have therefore generating more revenue.
This is why I don't buy from Heritage anymore. I have had this same thing happen to me too many times to mention. Why should I even bother bidding when some dink can snatch my winnings right out from under me?
Cheers,
Bob
<< <i>If certain people can bid after hours, then what's the point of offering the coins to the general public at all?
The only reason auction houses offer internet bidding is to create interest in a given sale. In general internet or mail bids are basically used to establish opening floor bids.
Can one win with an internet bid? Of course, but, if you want to win a particular lot--even if you are a legacy--your best bet is still to bid live either in person or through an agent.
I quit bidding on any of these live auctions for just that reason. I bid strong money on about 15 or 20 Heritage lots and didn't win any of them so I quit wasting my time.
<< <i>Dennis,
Heritage allows "after hours" bidding by "legacy" customers (I believe it's called) from their clients.......not sure what the parameters are to become one. >>
Wow that's incredibly pathetic.
<< <i>I notice Teletrade max bid after closing ......Is this the same policy.........????? >>
I think with Teletrade that would only happen if the high bid doesn't meet the reserve.
Heritage likes me, so they gave me Legacy status. What they like, is that I place a lot of bids to crank up the floor bidders, not that I win many lots. I bring Heritage higher fees.
Well, that's just plain wrong. If the "legacy" bidders want to bid, let them bid before the close of the auction. Can you imagine if ebay started allowing power sellers to do this?
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
<< <i>Well, that's just plain wrong. If the "legacy" bidders want to bid, let them bid before the close of the auction. Can you imagine if ebay started allowing power sellers to do this? >>
I agree. But it would be more like power BUYERS getting the last chance to snipe after everyone else was defenseless.
I understand that these are businesses and that they should cater to their best customers, but this just seems like it alters the playing field so much that it seems a bit smarmy.
Alternatively, have a solid dealer whose eye you trust represent you if there are coins you really want to add, which I have done too. They 5% they typically charge is often balanced out by getting the bid in the proper sequence increment. Set the limit, see if there are two or three you would like and hire that agent. This works pretty well and I picked up a really exceptional one at the Baltimore show last fall.
There are certainly more options without the cost of going yourself then there have ever been.
Good luck all.
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How could that happen? (I am pretty sure my bid was earlier)
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<< <i>Well, that's just plain wrong. If the "legacy" bidders want to bid, let them bid before the close of the auction. Can you imagine if ebay started allowing power sellers to do this? >>
I agree. But it would be more like power BUYERS getting the last chance to snipe after everyone else was defenseless.
I understand that these are businesses and that they should cater to their best customers, but this just seems like it alters the playing field so much that it seems a bit smarmy. >>
Their customers are the consignors, not the bidders.
<< <i>Their customers are the consignors, not the bidders. >>
Both consignors and bidders are their customers. They have to be fair to both and provide good customer service to both if they want to be successful. Ultimately, their money comes from the bidders.
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And drives away the "bad" customers like me...
Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
<< <i>I lost an internet bid where My high (with juice) was what it sold for (with juice).
How could that happen? (I am pretty sure my bid was earlier) >>
After the internet bidding closed they applied the mail and fax bids and your high matched one of them and it had a date/time that preceeded your internet bid. So even though it was applied later, it was an earlier bid than yours.
Wow. Hertiage used to be respectable.